Talk: Orlesian royalty and nobility

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Orlais is an empire, is ruled by an Emperor/Empress, and headed by an Imperial House, there is no royalty in Orlais. Royalty referes to members of the ruling house of a kingdom. Royal and Imperial refer to similair things but are not the same. I propose the page be moved to Orlesian imperiality and nobility based on that.--Swampshade (talk) 18:22, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

I think as a rule we consider the rulers of countries or city states as royalty, for example Archons, Viscounts, princes, and emperors. Also, Orlais had kings before emperors, but when Kordilius Drakon expanded the country significantly, he established himself as an emperor. But I guess Orlais is still a kingdom. Also, an example from real life. The king and queen of England were still royalty when in charge of the British Empire, and the country remained a kingdom. henioo ^{(da talk page)} 23:15, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Heni0 makes a lot of good ponts. I'm in support of keeping it as is.

- 01:55, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

As there was no consensus to rename the page, I'e close the move proposal as unsuccessful. Loleil ^Talk 02:23, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

Former Emperor Pictures

Are we sure the names on the associated images of previous rulers are correct? Because I distinctly remember looking at them during wicked eyes and hearts and some of the names not matching up. -HD3 ^(Talk) 01:44, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Count and Countesse

I am not very versed in the Orlesian lore, so I could use some guidance here. I can't find any info on Counts and Countesses. They appear several times throughout Inquisition, for example with Lynette Dionne. But I think this is an oversight because the title of Count was retconned to Comte (Fiona's owner in the book was a Count, in Inquisition he's a Comte) and thus I think any Count/Countess is actually Comte/Comtess. Thoughts? henioo ^{(da talk page)} 00:12, August 11, 2018 (UTC)

Reynaud and Melisande: Grand Duke/Grand Duchess instead of Prince/Princess

I know we have a note on the inconsistent use of Grand Duke/Grand Duchess and Prince/Princess, citing Reynaud and Melisande as the biggest examples, but we actually have two occurences of them being correctly referred to as Grand Duke in Codex entry: Emperor Florian for Reynaud, and in Florianne's WOT v2 Entry for Melisande ("Her mother, Grand Duchess Melisande, was the youngest child of Jucidael I").

It seems the actual practice is that:

• Children of the reigning monarch and any Grand Dukes / Grand Duchesses are called Prince or Princess, with Crown Prince or Crown Princess designating the heir apparent. Not siblings.
• Princes and Princesses who don't become Emperor/Emperess become Grand Duke/Grand Duchess when their generational Crown Prince/Princess ascends the throne. This has been exclusively siblings of the monarch, up until Celene, Gaspard and Florianne who are cousins, mainly because none of the Valmont family tree has shown us children of Grand Dukes / Grand Duchesses until the children of Jucidael I.

Since Reynaud and Melisande are the only examples of the siblings of the reigning monarch not called Grand Duke or Grand Duchess, (including Florian himself being correctly called Grand Duke in the codex above, which is odd that he would become Grand Duke but his younger brother and sister would stay prince and princess), and there are examples of them with the correct title, I believe the current scheme (where they are referred to as Prince / Princess, and noted that they are sometimes called Grand Duke / Grand Duchess) be swapped with their correct titles of Grand Duke and Grand Duchess, with a note that they are often referred to in lore as Prince / Princess when they should have become Grand Duke / Grand Duchess. NotYourParadigm (talk) 07:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I've also noted that despite what WoT1 says, in practice siblings of the monarch are called Grand Duke/Duchess and not Prince/Princess. I agree with the switch to using Grand Duke/Duchess as the primary titles for Reynaud and Melisande, but I don't think a note is really necessary, just having Prince/Princess (formerly) in the infobox should be enough. Evamitchelle (talk) 07:40, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for signing the comment for me, I forgot in the middle of all the edits lol. Is it appropriate to add that to all the known prior princes/princesses as well? That would then include Celene, Gaspard, Florianne... and then technically Florian as both Grand Duke and Prince prior to becoming emperor, etc. NotYourParadigm (talk) 07:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm a bit undecided. Usually the infobox only lists the highest title a character has had or only the ones they've had during the installment(s) in which they appeared. So for example we have Cullen's titles in each game he appeared in, but we only list Meredith as Knight-Commander. Based on that, my idea is that Prince/Princess is a bit of an outlier because it's more of a "demotion." Like with a Knight-Commander you can assume that they didn't start at the highest position and held lower ranks before. Also, we actually see Reynaud and Melisande use the titles (even if they shouldn't necessarily have been using them at that time). So I'd keep them as an exception. I wouldn't add it to characters that ended up Emperor/Empress, or to characters that are only ever referred to as Grand Duke like Gratien. Evamitchelle (talk) 09:35, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Vicomte/Vicomtesse Title

Who wrote this? Vicomte is Viscount in french.

No idea, but I agree it's an odd observation and can probably be removed. It's no different than how there's Marquis and Margrave both in-universe. NotYourParadigm (talk) 18:19, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I guess the idea was pointing out that Ser Michel Lafaille was called a Viscount and not a Vicomte, but I agree that it's not particularly worth noting. Evamitchelle (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2022 (UTC)