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The Orlais french connection Edit
While true England had held french territory for a multitude of times, the french had also had control of all of england for a time I can see more of a corelation of realworld history and Freldian history than the last statement about the irony thing.
I don't see any corelation with realworld history. The wife of the king would never become queen in realworld, only the child could inherit the crown, and if no child the closest parent of the king by blood. The game makes a parody of royalty and the relation with realworld history is loose, at best. I doubt the conceptors had any knowledge about the french history or the house of Orleans when they wrote the game, because this is precisely one of the situation where a blood related cousin (Louis XII, formerly duke of Orleans) legally inherited the crown and broke the Valois legacy. Orlais<->Orleans is probably just a coincidence to make the name sound french, not to be related to any historical or realworld background.
Female knights in Orlais Edit
The character creator data files contain the following segment:
- Aveline, Knight of Orlais.
- Aveline was born to an Orlesian farmer near the city of Halamshiral in the early half of the Storm Age. She was a large and ugly baby, and her father had hoped for a boy. Not wanting another mouth to feed, the farmer left Aveline in the woods to die from exposure. But a travelling band of Dalish elves came upon the crying child.
- The elves took her into their clan and raised her as their own. They taught her archery, dueling and survival skills. When she came of age, she was larger and stronger than most women, let alone elven women. Her adoptive parents knew that she was a fine warrior, so they encouraged her to enter a human tournament in nearby Montsimmard. But women were not permitted to join the knighthood in Orlais, nor to compete in a tournament, so Aveline joined the tournament as a man. Her clan forged a suit of armor with a full helm and gave her an ironbark sword of the finest quality.
- Avelin entered the competition claiming to be a knight of Antiva. She refused to doff her helmet, even during the archery competition. And sure enough, Aveline bested many other knights until, in the grand melee, she came upon Kaleva, a knight who served the emperor and was considered the finest in the land.
- Kaleva was determined not to be beaten, and struck swiftly and strongly. As Aveline matched each of his blows, Kaleva grew ever more frustrated. Finally, in desperation, he tripped Aveline and threw her to the ground. The blow knocked her helm from her head, and Kaleva was shamed. He called to have the competition declared invalid, but the crowd booed and jeered. In anger, Kaleva turned and slew Aveline as she lay helpless.
- The son of the emperor, Prince Freyan, was also present at the tourney. He too had been beaten by Aveline, but he recognized her skill and bravery and was saddened by the injustice of her death. Upon rising to the emperor's seat in 7:44 Storm, Freyan abolished the law that disallowed women from joining the Orlesian knighthood and posthumously knighted Aveline. Although women in the Orlesian knighthood are still a rarity today, all those who do become knights revere Ser Aveline as their patron.
- -- "Aveline, Knight of Orlais," by Lord Francois Maigny, 8:4 Blessed.
Appropriate to make note of and quote in the page? --Jabor 23:28, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
Jacqueline Carey's Kushiel books? Edit
I can't help but notice how many things about Orlais seem to be similar not so much to France but the France of Jacqueline Carey's Kushiel books (which begins with Kushiel's Dart). Any of the Bioware writers ever mentioned anything about this as being an influence? RobertM525 02:24, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
Orlais, the most powerful nation? Edit
Serfdom in Orlais? Edit
I got the impression that the farmers in Orlais are mostly serfs and the Orlesian society seems to be a perfect model of the real life feudal society in which all power lies with the nobles. It has also been noted that their chevaliers (spelling?) can treat the peasents which way they want. Should there be anything about this in the article? I guess that serfdom i Orlais will a bigger topic in the future. When mages try to become independent these actions may influence the orlesian peasentry to rebel? What do you think?--Armfeldt (talk) 09:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
The Game Edit
- Codex entry: The Orlesian Empire
- Codex entry: The Orlesian Game of Intrigue
- Codex entry: Bard's Dancing Shoes
- Codex entry: Portrait of the Dowager
- Dragon Age: Asunder, basically the entire Chapter 2
Proposition to add Reville Edit
- Maybe we should add to emperor's list Reville, the so-called Mad Emperor of Orlais, who invaded to Ferelden. WHat do you think, guys?
- I would add it (World of Thedas has some bits of information), but this info need to be processed by the man who is good in writing articles.
I've added it in. In future don't have any concerns about adding, or editing something in yourself, most users should assume good faith, and will edit slightly if the wording is off. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 20px 22:42, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
Emperors and Empresses Edit
If Rulers of Orzammar have own page, I think rulers of Orlais aslo can have their own. But befoe I do it, I need agreement of some wikia contributors. Who's pro and who's against?220.127.116.11 (talk) 16:30, June 23, 2013 (UTC) Just call me Dalish fan
- Seeing how the Emperors' subsection is the largest among the rank subsections in the current article, I think it justifies the split. Moreover, I'd suggest converting the many subsections into a bullet list after the split, to unload the TOC. --Koveras Alvane (talk) 16:42, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
- I also second Mostlyautumn suggestion for a move to Orlesian royalty and nobility. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 20px 17:12, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
Why I transfered from Jader to Orlais?
- I assume you mean the redirect. :) I assume that's because we don't have enough information on Jader, except that it's a city in Orlais, so instead of making a whole new article, someone redirected it to this one... --Koveras Alvane (talk) 05:49, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
- The only thing that we really know about Jader is that there is a Grey Warden outpost there, and Kristoff's wife sends him letters from there, so it could be assumed Kristoff was stationed there with his family. Henio0 (talk) 07:59, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
Move candidate Edit
I believe that a more formal and official name should be used as a title for this country. Subsequently I propose that this page's title to be changed in one of these two names:
- The Empire of Orlais
- Orlesian Empire
- Orlesian Empire works, vis-a-vis Tevinter Imperium. --Koveras Alvane (talk) 18:29, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
- i was going to propose this myself. the country was known as Kingdom of Cyriane (or however you spell it), then Orlais, then empire of Orlais, when king kordilion became an emperor. Henio0 (talk) 23:38, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, the official name is Orlesian Empire, according to World of Thedas, so I'd think that would be the most appropriate. Kelcat (talk) 23:58, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
I think that we should use the most common name instead of the formal one, so Orlais and not Orlesian Empire, Ferelden and not Kingdom of Ferelden, etc. This is similar to the real world where we would prefer France over French Republic. – mostlyautumn • talk • contribs • 05:18, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
- Unlike the term "Kingdom of Ferelden", which frankly I haven't seen anywhere, the term "Orlesian Empire" is quite frequent. 15:22, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
- It's from the World of Thedas. There are also Kingdom of the Anderfels, Kingdom of Nevarra, etc. And the frequency is the main reason I oppose the rename: "Orlais" is mentioned 320 times in DAO and DA2, "Orlesian Empire" – 17. So with the rename we will use a rare name instead of the common one and also ruin the consistency since Ferelden etc will continue to use their unofficial names. – mostlyautumn • talk • contribs • 16:11, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, if we are comparing Thedosian states to real world, we could go the Wikipedia route and have a general, common-name article for Orlais that includes an overview of the region's history and culture (vis-a-vis France) plus individual historical articles for distinct eras of Orlesian statehood, e.g. the post-Drakon Orlesian Empire (vis-a-vis French Fifth Republic). --Koveras Alvane (talk) 21:25, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
I think that if people are looking for information about this country, they would likely type "Orlais" in the search box. I don't know if that term would automatically redirect to this article: if it does, then I don't object to the title change. If it doesn't, then perhaps leaving the title as it is, but mentioning in the article's opening paragraph that it is officially known as the Orlesian Empire, would cover all bases. -Sophia (talk) 09:01, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
- Obviously "Orlais" would redirect to the new page, should the move nomination be successful. 15:22, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
Most of the countries we have articles for use their common name rather than the formal or official one, so it should be consistent for all of them--what about using the common name as the article title and then having a field in the info box for the "official" name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelcat (talk • contribs) 15:03, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
While Orlesian Empire usage is frequent, Orlais is still the predominant term. Isn't Empire of Orlais the official term anyway?... That's rarely used. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 16:12, September 21, 2013 (UTC)
Gaspard's Ruler-ship Edit
Is it ever stated that Gaspard is the ruler of Verchiel? I haven't played Inquisition yet, but don't remember it ever being stated in previous games/books, so I am not sure how valid this is. If it's not, then it needs to be removed. NutMeg29 21:42, December 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Its in Masked Empire, where Gaspard and Remache are interrogating Comte Pierre after the battle at Halamshiral. Remache acknowledges Pierre's discomfort at seeing the city under his stewardship assaulted and that he would feel the same about Lydes and Gaspard would feel the same for Verchiel. p.155
Leliana's Ancestry Edit
I edited the section on notable Orlesian characters to accurately reflect Leliana's ancestry. The previous entry stated she grew up in Orlais but is of Fereldan ancestry. That was only partially correct, as she does have a line of dialogue in Dragon Age: Origins where she briefly mentions an Orlesian father. Edited to now have the entry state she is of mixed parentage.
The mention of her father is very easily missed, as there is only a single mention of him in the entire series as far as I can tell, and it is only triggered by choosing a single dialogue option out of three in one of her DA:O conversations. She quite clearly states however that her father was Orlesian. It is in response to a query on how her mother came to Orlais. Beyond that she provides no further detail on him.
An image isn't needed for confirmation of something that's in the game. "Proof" is not required, just specificity. I added a reference note based upon the anon above's comments to explain where the info comes from. Perhaps now the edit-warring can stop? --♫ Kelcat Talk 07:37, November 17, 2015 (UTC)