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First Steps Taken!

Added the first bit of information. A great deal of information. I did not literally copy what it says on the epilogue but wrote down whatever I could remember on almost all the companions and other. --Haasth 21:17, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! I was hoping this page would get filled in soon. Loleil 21:43, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

I see people have been making some nice progress since this page was created. I figured I'd go ahead and add two pictures. Just to 'flower it up' a little. Shouldn't really spoil anything on first glance either, because you have to click on it to actually read the words. --Haasth 23:55, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Human Noble Ending

I have completed 3 different play-throughs, with different endings, and am currently on a Male Human Noble origin. I have heard that the Warden can be made king if married to Anora, but What happens to Alistair, hardened or no?

Anora requires Alistair to swear an oath to give up all claims to throne for himself and his heirs. He remains a Grey Warden and continues the adventure with you. 68.82.52.241 09:56, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Grey Warden epilogue

I haven't yet finished Dragon Age( as i only got it this morning along with my ps3) but i would like to know what happens to the hero if he dies in the final battle. Is that it for the game? If the Hero sacrifices someone else then can you continue doing stuff in the game?

You can continue in either of the two cases since the continuation takes place before the battle of Denerim where your Warden possibly died. -- Chicoryn 08:08, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, you can continue regardless of what you pick. Just that you can only go to the camp and all the downloadable content areas (Currently Warden's Keep and Honnleath (Spelling?). If the Warden dies in the final battle there will be a - so I have heard - great scene of his or her funeral. --Haasth 11:00, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Create a new savegame before the Landsmeet as this will let you go back and finish up any quests you may have forgotten to finish. Cdward 08:11, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Alistair king, and Loghain alive?

I am wondering if this is possible. Make Alistair king while leaving Loghain alive. I take it Alistair would leave the party in that case, but does he still end up as King and fulfill one of your requests? --Haasth 11:05, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Don't think so. In one of my Landsmeet scenarios, I nominated Anora as queen and opted to show Loghain mercy after defeating him in a duel. Alistair then stepped up and said he would not allow it, and if the only way to put Loghain to death is to become king then so be it (at which point you can choose either him or Anora; I chose Anora, but I assume choosing Alistair would result in him calling for Loghain's execution). Cdward 08:05, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Technically Alistair doesn't have the authority to execute Loghain even if he chose to become king because of the right of conscription. So the option should be possible in either cases. -- Chicoryn 08:25, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

If Alistair has been hardened you can persuade him to marry Anora, and let Loghain live. He stills leaves the party, but you can talk with him afterwards. I haven't seen how it plays out in the end game yet, but it should be interesting! Loleil 08:31, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

As long af you have Hardened Alistair on his personal quest you can spare Loghain and have Alistair become King and/or Marry Anora. So Yes, Its possible to keep everyone. Its actually the best ending.

You still lose Alistair as a party member if you go that route, and he will not be happy with you. I'm not sure I'd call that a good ending either. But if keeping Loghain alive is important to you, than this is the most positive ending you can get with Alistair. 68.82.52.241 10:00, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

I don't really understand HOW or WHY, but this happened to me. Loghain is still very much alive even though Alistair killed him. It's quite disturbing, really. (Patch 1.03, PC) --96.54.228.29 02:25, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Correlations and dependences

We as community may try to add Correlations and dependencies to epilogues.

Simple like

Zevran can be be dead IF killed by Grey Warden after surviving ambush.

and

Complex such as

Choices that are consequences and dependencies of the decisions made

The Grey Warden can choose to continue their adventures. AND as an result Zevran can choose to follow you in your continued adventures. OR

but can not ...

I know it might be too complex and may in future require script language and filters.

Alistair can be Executed

I don't know if this should be included in the Epilogue page or not. But i see this kind of entries in other characters such as Leliana / Wynne can be killed in the Urn of Sacred Ash.--Lioni 20:53, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why you shouldn't add it considering it is an Epilogue. --Amphiptere 11:50, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I didn't want to start a new section for this, so I write it here. According to the wiki "If Anora is made queen, and the Warden chooses not to convince her otherwise, Alistair is executed." - but this can't be right the way it is.

In my playthrough, I made Anora Queen and she showed no intention to execute Alistair at all. The only thing that happened is that she made Alistair take an oath "to relinquish all claims to the throne for himself and his heirs." So the execution of Alistair must have other conditions beside making Anora queen and not persuading her to spare Alistair's life. If anyone would have any idea what those other conditions are, I would ask to share them.

I also mention that in my playthrough I let Alistair kill Loghain - for this can be important. --Onac Proudmoore 12:06, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Zevran

I had added the Epilogue about Zevran helping to rebuild the wardens only after I had received that epilogue. Therefore this is a confirmed outcome with Zevran, please don't list as unconfirmed again. --MiyuEmi 12:05, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Adding even here my experience regarding Zevran ending. I completed the romance with Alistar (not hardened and with rose scene), so my elf could stay and travel with him chosing to rebuild the Grey Wardens, but I also was very careful to leave Zevran approval level at a point in which no one was jealous even though they both were going into my tent (completing his Crow quest too but reloading if I gained one point or two that triggered the "jealousy scene", no earring scene). In this case, the epilogue was me and Alistair living together, but also Zevran talking to him in the throne room said he was happily going to stay with me helping out the wardens (yes, he would be a nice mascot indeed).Dunizel 20:38, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Another Circle of Magi ending

I played an elf mage that made the ultimate sacrifice. I was romantically involved with Allstair, but convinced him to marry Anora for the good of the kingdom. They both agreed to the marriage. At the end of the game, the new King decrees that a new tower of the Magi will be built and the original tower abandoned, the new tower is built in the character's name - and, that the Templar will no longer be responsible for monitoring the mages; as the Warden has proved that they earned their independence. 99.233.214.71 08:05, December 1, 2009 (UTC)Citizen Philip

Unfortunately, David Gaider has revealed that the Chantry says no to the Magi boon. Possible recton of DA:O (given what Irving says and the lack of an independent Circle of Orzammar) but it's apparently canon now. Lobsel Vith (talk) 19:57, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Shale & Zevran's epilogues

I have beaten the game twice now, not once has Shale nor Zevran ever been included in the epilogue. How do I get them included? --Revan's Exile 06:54, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I think they're not in the epilogue slide-show, but rather in the throne room after the Archdemon has been slain. Here they will tell you what they are going to do, and you can affect what they are going to do for some of them. I've never had any party members show up in the epilogue slide-show except for Morrigan (because of the Dark Ritual) or Leliana (my romance). 217.120.182.54 09:37, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

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Your other companions (beside your romantic interest and Morrigan) don't show up unless The Warden sacrificed him/herself. Then, the epilogue tells what happens to each of them. (Like, Shale traveled around, had something to do with Ferelden's rapidly declining pigeon population and Zevran, after being found by the Crows, took the fight to them and eventually wound up as their leader.) Zillar 13:50, December 28, 2009 (UTC)Zillar

I've been able to get the lowdown on all of my companions save for Sten in the epilogue slideshow even if I didn't sacrifice myself. I think I've only sacrificed myself once. The only person I haven't managed to get an Epilogue on was Sten. --MiyuEmi 15:54, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Anora Queen you prince-consort

When I finished game I was told that it would have been an golden age if not for fights for power, however on one forum i read that somebody was able to achieve golden age, can anybody confirm that if yes how to achieve it?

Different players read different things into that epilogue. Some only see the golden age part, others only see a struggle for power. The exact words are: <FirstName/> married Queen Anora in a lavish ceremony six months after her coronation, becoming the prince-consort of Ferelden. Many said that if the two did not end up vying for control of the throne, they would usher in a new golden age not seen since King Calenhad first united the barbarian tribes. Note the - if - that's in the quote. So it really could go either way, and that explains why different people read it differently. 68.82.52.241 10:20, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Morrigan

Can somebody confirm that Flemeth kills Morrigan under certain conditions? --DarkJeff 15:42, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Post by dan107: "I keep hearing rumors that it's possible for Morrigan to be killed (by Flemeth?) in the epilogue, but I haven't seen that actually confirmed. Has anyone actually gotten an ending where Morrigan died, and if so how exactly?"

Response by David Gaider: "There is no such epilogue. If there was, it would have been a rumor you heard (as are the rest of the epilogue pieces about Morrigan), but there isn't. I just checked. The variation where you let Flemeth lived does not mention such a thing."

So can we get a source for what's on the article? --DarkJeff 16:56, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

I'm also wondering about this, I let Flemeth live on my first playthrough and it said nothing about her killing Morrigan in the Epilogue - a source must be added or that part should be deleted especially since the above quote came from Gaider. Zf6hellion 02:38, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

I have another minor issue If The Warden has romanced Morrigan and in possession of her ring he can sense her and her regret through the ring. (you have to be wearing the ring at the end of the game). This occured for me, but I was not wearing the ring, so I think its not needed. In fact though after I got the ring, I put it back On Morrigan Kilandor 05:08, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Oghren Line

I edited the last part of the line where it states that Oghren can become the general if Alistair is king. I had that epilogue with the queen so I assume it can happen either way.

Becoming Alistair's consort

I am currently playing as a female elf mage in a relationship with Alistair. I DID NOT harden him after his personal quest, and I am reasonably sure it is now impossible to end up as his "consort" whether he marries Anora or rules alone. Confirmation would be nice. Also, if anyone has hardened him, can they shed light on that side? --Crush. 21:38, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

You can still be his queen-consort I got it after all and I hadn't hardened Alistair's personality. Zf6hellion 02:13, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

I think you still be his queen if he hasn't been hardened (human nobles only). However, to be his consort (stay together with no marriage) he has to be hardened. At least that's what my playthroughs support. Loleil 03:02, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

I was playing as female human noble, married alistair and the epilogue mentioned a wedding ceremony but it still calls my PC princess-consort, not queen. Alistair is hardened. Is that the cause of the problem? Kaerendar 20:49, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Placing Anora on the throne, Discrepencies

I placed Anora on the throne without anyone ruling with her. Yet in every dialogue afterwords Alistair continues to speak as though I nominated him to be king. He insisted on slaying the archdemon because as king it was his responsibilities. This has happened before in previous runthroughs. Is this a known bug or just something with my game?--Emynii 01:54, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

The same thing happened to me and it's very irritating. I wanted to kill the Archdemon myself but Alistair wouldn't let me because he was king and because he was in love with my character. He spoke several times about being King but in my Landsmeet, he gave up any right to the throne for both him and his children. I assume it's a bug of some sort as it's definitely repeatable. 24.127.25.76 04:54, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

It may be a bug or it may not but my explanation to it, is that he is considered king by the people because of his family line, either way I have no idea what's so bothersome about him talking about it. Zf6hellion 05:40, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

I suspect it's a bug. In three run throughs so far, I haven't yet had a bug free time. Each one screws up quests in one way or another, although not usually terminally. Most often, the game errs by thinking I've completed something I haven't. But I have two run throughs in which the chantry in Redcliffe thinks I have a quest to complete, (chanter shows up as a quest target on the map and with glyph overhead, but doesn't have anything to say if I click on them. Xbox360, btw. Teamnoir 20:49, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Same experience here. I DID NOT harden Alistair to be sure, I always supported only Anora as Queen avoiding any dialogue option mentioning Alistair as king. Still, when I went to talk to him about Morrigan's ritual, he was talking as he was the king. Moreover, on the coronation ceremony, Anora said something about build a momument to Alistair and all the dead Grey Wardens. That scared the hell out of me, even because I did not see Alistair among my companions in the scene. Luckly he was there after the scene and I could talk to him, but still. On a side note, I completed the romance with Alistar, so my elf could stay and travel with him rebuilding the Grey Wardens, but I also was very careful to leave Zevran approval level at a point in which no one was jealous even though they both were going into my tent (completing his Crow quest too, but being very careful and reloading if I gained one point or two that triggered the "jealousy scene"). In this case, the epilogue mentioned me and Alistaitr staying together, but also Zevran talking to him said he was happily going to stay with me helping out the wardens (yes, he would be a nice mascot indeed). Talking about happy endings ;)Dunizel 20:40, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Anora's Imprisonment

As Anora could be locked in the "tower" for not abdicating the throne and if my assumption is correct that this "tower" is Fort Drakon - doesn't that mean she would have been killed in the Darkspawn attack on Denerim?

Sign your comments on talk pages always. My last playthrough I made Alistair king, Anora locked in the tower, and Alistair sacrificed himself to stop the Archdemon. Anora was crowned queen. So no she is not killed. --Revan's Exile 17:29, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Running on about 2 hours makes you forget things lol. Aww that would have been fun well for me. Zf6hellion 17:31, December 6, 2009 (UTC)

Dalish Lands

I've played as a Dalish elf, romanced Alistair, made him king, then sacrificed myself and the Dalish elves were definitely given their own lands. Catgirl789 00:02, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

I've never played as a Dalish elf, however land was always granted the Dalish near Ostigar at the end of any playthrough where they fought for Ferelden as one of the recruited armies, even if Anora became sole ruler.

You mean they only gained land IF they participated in Denerim, because if you have the Werewolves then the Elves get squat - at least for me anyway. Zf6hellion 01:02, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I played a Circle mage and I still got the Dalish elves went to land granted to them in Ostagar and they did participated in the final battle. PS3 version of the game.(Sports72Xtrm (talk) 21:11, July 5, 2015 (UTC))

Full Text

Perhaps it is an idea to include the full text of the epilogues rather than one's own interpretation? Somewhat like the following format:

If the Warden does X and is Y but does not Z:

<epilogue text or NPC quotes>

or:

If the Warden sides with the mages in Broken Circle but is not a mage who makes the Ultimate Sacrifice:

Epilogue: "Following months of effort, the tower of the Circle of Magi was finally cleansed of the last spirits to slip through the Veil. No further abominations were created, and First Enchanter Irving was pleased to declare the Circle safe. All that could be saved had been."

This would be more complete and informative, I think. DarwinSighs 09:47, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, Would like to see a page for this. Bare in mind there a many veriations in what can happen eg, Doing X causes A, Doing Y Causes B but doing X+Y causes C, it mind confuse people unless done just right. CC

"At least for a time"

I found that this kept cropping up with various people I'd elected to stay with, whether I travelled or stayed in Denerim. Is that just a standard part of the text, or is it influenced by something? It just feels a bit too transient and vague to be accidental, so I'm left wondering... --vom 04:11, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Fairly sure it's a standard MO for at least some of the characters. For example, you'll get that epilogue with Zevran nearly every time, unless (when speaking to the King/Queen about your requested boon) you choose to go rebuild the Grey Wardens. But if you go to your clan, or stay in the city or travel, yep - you get the dreaded "At least for a time." Fritti Tailchaser 06:41, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I was just wondering if it was a different outcome based on some decision or other, but I guess if it's just what it says, there's not much room for it in the article! Noncommittal NPCs, though; whatever next... --vom 12:55, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Just as a side note, "For a time" to me means sequel material, not an unhappy ending ;) --Selty 13:42, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I'd be with Selty on that side note, just to point out it also says that "this wouldn't be the last they heard of the Warden" or something to that effect if you survived. That is kind of sequelish material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zf6hellion (talk • contribs)

Groan - I'd never even thought about that. The phrase "doh!" comes to mind! :/ --vom 16:52, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

It gives Bioware an excuse not to include your love interest in any expansions they put out. 68.82.52.241 10:26, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Urn of the sacred ashes epilogue.

I've just read here that "The Dragon may tire of expeditions looking for the Urn and go on a rampage that destroys it. " Is this confirmed? It sounds like it's a hoax.. can anyone confirm this epilogue? How can you achieve this? I've beaten the game four times now and never got anything like it.

I finished the game today and I got the epiloge where the dragon destroyed the ruins and the urn was never found, it also fled to another land becouse of to many expeditions. I got this by not killing the high dragon and encuraging brother genetivis search after the urn.

Yes, I also got this ending, but instead i killed Genitivi and obviously let the dragon live. In fact this seems to be the default ending when you not kill the dragon, what I've found really odd is that there doesn't seem to be a specific ending for pouring the blood in the urn (someone would think that Indiana Jones peeing in the grail would have some kind of consequence) or at least no one has written it. So maybe there is really nothing written for it, or everyone uses wayne and clears the fade before anything. I havent tainted the ashes on my two playthroughs, I guess its time to do it. -- Revolver.

If you taint the ashes, and spare the cult and by default the dragon, then the cult gets more followers and the ashes dissappear

Im starting to think that, oddly enough, the ashes epilogue triggers without checking the ashes, but your decisions with Kolgrim, Genitivi and the dragon. So with what we know i'm going to rephrase the ashes epilogues.--Archon Arkturus 15:46, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

It seems I had an ending not in the article? I allowed Brother Genitivi to mount an expedition to the Urn, killed the Cultists, killed the High Dragon, did not defile the ashes, talked to Genitivi in Denerim afterwards (for the expedition). I basically got: Rumours abound about the Urn of Ashes involvement in curing Arl Eamon. The Chantry makes attempts to verify the rumours, but there came an official decree that no resting place for Ashes had been found. If it was in those ruins once, it was no longer. So, in short, even though Genitivi mounted the expedition and was talked to in Denerim + High Dragon dead I still got the Arl Eamon cure rumours and lost trace of the Ashes. How? Kusuri (talk) 10:37, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

I actually got the Same thing. I sent Genitivi home before entering the temple and killied the cultists AND high Dragon with no deal made. Despite that I got that same Diolouge. I think it might be a bug. Thehumaneldar (talk) 03:23, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Perfectionist

Anyone know how this relates to the perfectionist achievement? Teamnoir 02:35, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Epilogue has nothing to do with Perfectionist. For Perfectionist you need to get "all possible endings" - sacrifice warden, sacrifice Alistar, sacrifice Loghain and perform Morrigan's ritual. 62.141.225.115 16:20, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! It's not clear what constitutes an "ending" in this game. They might have meant the list you described. They might have meant each of the dispositions of the 4 allies. They might have meant everything in this page.

The info on what's required for perfectionist belongs in the regular page info proper. I'm not sure where, though. Perhaps as a note under the achievement itself? Teamnoir 20:32, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Well as a minor additional note, Loghain doesn't have to be sacrificed for the Perfectionist achievement/trophy, you only have to get one of each ending, Warden's death, Morrigan's Ritual or sacrifice of an ally - so it only needs to be done three times. Zf6hellion 03:36, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Not true for me. After having self sacrificed, sacrificed Alistar, and made my deal with Morigan, I had to sacrifice Loghain to get the achievement on xbox360 . I can confirm that four endings are required for the achievement, at least on xbox360. Teamnoir 10:56, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well mine was on PS3 so there's the root of the difference. Zf6hellion 23:23, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

I know I'm really late on this, but I'm on the PS3 playing a casteless dwarf, and trying to get the perfectionist trophy, but literally every time I try to let Loghain make the sacrifice the game locks up right after I agree to him striking the final blow. It doesn't matter how I get there in the dialogue, either (I've tried it about a dozen times now). Unknown User 14:56 June 08, 2011

Dog

If anyone has seen or heard of Dog in one of the endings, could they please correct my entry? Because in my experience Dog doesn't appear at all (And this may imply his death). I found it odd that he was the only companion without an entry. 84.45.134.188 16:04, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

There is "a" dog in the palace if you survive the dragon and he barks a lot like Dog did. He isn't a character you can talk to, though, so it's not clear whether _this_ dog is Dog or just some random mabari. Teamnoir 20:34, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Have anybody checked if "a dog" is still there if Warden killed/haven't healed "the Dog" in Ostagar? I think that'd clarify if it's him or not in palace 62.141.225.115 01:16, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

I concur. Unfortunately, my character who killed Dog also self sacrificed, so I don't have a nearby save game. Teamnoir 10:52, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

However, during the post-coronation animation with the queen, there's a group of companions clearly visible in the background which includes a mabari. I think this strongly suggests that the mabari there is Dog, which also suggests that the mabari near Sten afterward is also Dog. Teamnoir 10:53, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Well if anyone is a mage in the area of the mabari hound they could use a spell like death cloud that reveals all the names of the highlited people within the effect, and see if its name is whatever you named it.--Rolan Zevran 00:58, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's Dog near the exit, it's even wearing the kaddis you gave it. -- Marvin Arnold (talk) 15:33, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Shale doesn't appear in epilogue in 360 version

Is this only in the 360 version where shale never appears in at the epilogue in the throne room? I have seen videos of Shale appearing there in the PC version but she never appears there in the 360 version for some reason.

Sacrifice achivement bugged?

Is that achievement, and how the game itself handles this? I got the achievement when I let Alistair kill the Archdemon. Is there any difference between doing it myself, or letting Alistair kill the Archdemon? Join993 18:40, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

My interpretation of the achievement was that there were two: one for "somebody dies" and another for "deal with Morrigan". I, too, got it first when Alistar died for me. (Note that there are four results you need for "perfectionist" achievement.) Teamnoir 18:38, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Are we talking about PC or console here? There are two PC ending Achievements (Warden-Commander and Redeemer) that don't appear on the console. I'm a PC player myself, but I think Teamnoir's right that console users will get the Ultimate Sacrifice achievement in any ending that doesn't involve doing Morrigan's ritual. And, as Teamnoir also says, it's worth doing both ways (plus the other two possibilities) to unlock the Perfectionist achievement. --Zoev 18:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I meant the console version(360 to be precise). But now, after looking at this, I saw that there is only 2 endings for the console. It was confusing, since for the perfectionist is says "Across all playthroughs, discovered all possible endings", and that lead me to believe that there were more than just two different endings. And mostly, the ultimate sacrifice would be to sacrifice yourself, not letting a friend do it for you. Join993 19:45, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

There are four endings, although 3 of them are basically the same and the other 1 is the Ritual

According to the perfectionist achievement, there are four endings, even on console. But there are only three achievements, (including perfectionist). I haven't played on PC, but the addition of the other achievements suggests that sacrifice might be awarded differently there. Teamnoir 20:28, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, on PC, the Ultimate Sacrifice is awarded when the PC dies, Warden-Commander when Alistair dies and Redeemer when Loghain dies (and A Dark Promise when Morrigan's ritual is accepted). And then Perfectionist is unlocked when the conditions for all the other four ending achievements have been met. Whereas, I take it, on console it's still necessary to meet the conditions for these four PC achievements in order to get Perfectionist, but there are only two other achievements to get along the way - A Dark Promise when accepting Morrigan's offer and The Ultimate Sacrifice in any other case. Is that right? --Zoev 00:53, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I think you are right. I've heard that if let Loghain do it, you get The Ultimate Sacrifice too. But, for the perfectionist on console, it must be so that you only need the two achievements that actually are on the console, otherwise it'd be really stupid Join993 01:09, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Zoev is correct about console, (at least for xbox360). There are three achievements - one for Morrigan's deal, one for "somebody dies", (Alistar was first in my games), and "perfectionist" requires all four results, (Loghain was the final in my games). Teamnoir 02:05, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Marrying Alistar

I have a question, how do you get the ending where you and alistar marry, if you make a sacrifice you die, you can't do the ritual as a female (at least i don't think so), if alistar does the sacrafice he dies, and you can't, use Logahin because if he joins your party alister leaves, any help--98.208.63.8 04:50, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

There's one option you haven't thought of. Alistair does the ritual. Loleil 05:22, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Another Zevran ending

If the right situation occurs in the Crows sidequest, Zevran can elect to leave your party and go off by himself having the Crows think he is dead. Not sure what is written about him in the eppilogue if that occurs though. ArchAngelTheFallen 11:38, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

Alistair?

Just wonder what will happen to Alistair in the epilogue if you not in a romance with him, and making Anora queen. Someone who knows?

It depends on how your landsmeet went.
- If you agree to make Loghain a Warden and agreed with Anora to execute Alistair, then obviously he dies (Loghain must live)
- If you agree to make Loghain a warden and persuade Anora not to execute Alistair she will instead exile him, and he becomes a wandering drunk.(Loghain must live)
- If Loghain is killed but the Warden sides with Anora, Anora will ask Alistair to release all his rights to the throne (Which he does gladly), and he will stay a warden. (Loghain Dies)
142.165.162.142 (talk) 06:41, June 5, 2011 (UTC)Nocturna

Morrigan and Leliana

I romanced with Morrigan and with Leliana after Morrigan ended our relationship saying that it made us weak. What would happen in the epilogue?

Leliana & Morrigan's endings are independent of each other. It's possible to have romance and love flags set for both at the end of the game. Nevertheless Morrigan will always leave you in the end, regardless of whether or not she loves you. If she gave you the ring then you'll know that she feels regret for having left you. Leliana's ending depends on a lot of different factors. But if she's hardened and in love with you she'll always be willing to stay with you regardless of what you decide to do. If she's in love with you but not hardened then she'll also always be willing to stay with you unless you're also marrying Anora. If you've romanced her, but she's not in love with you, then she'll go off on one of several adventures. Nevertheless unless you've left Marjolaine alive in which case she'll travel to Orlais alone, you'll be welcome to join her in either investigating the Darkspawn (hardened Leliana) or setting up a guard for the Urn of Ashes at the Chantry's request (unhardened Leliana). 68.82.52.241 10:41, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Reminds me of the end of Dune

Epilogue: Alistair can become King with Anora as his Queen. If this does occur, and you have been romancing Alistair but your character is not the female Human Noble, then through a series of choices your character can become his "consort" and continue the relationship.

This just makes me think of Dune, when Paul Atreides aka Muad'Dib, at the end — Paul will ascend the throne in Shaddam's place, assuming power of the Empire in Irulan's name. Think of Anora as Irulan and the female Warden as Chani. And Jessica Paul's mother a consort herself sums it up thus:

"See that princess standing there, so haughty and confident. They say she has pretensions of a literary nature. Let us hope she finds solace in such things; she'll have little else." A bitter laugh escaped Jessica. "Think on it, Chani: that princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine — never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine — history will call us wives. [1]  Hollowness | Talk | Contr 09:27, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Teyrn of Gwaren

So I was playing DA:O and I decided to see what happens if I had Alistair marry Anora whilst sparring Loghain. It seems I was still able to receive the boon "title and riches" despite Loghain being alive. The only weird thing was the coronation cutscene in which only Anora was shown but in-game Alistair was still there. (I talked to him but he was very curt, not really much to say).

Alistair is more active on the player's behalf if Loghain dies. It's even more pronounced if you become chancellor with an unhardened Alistair who has married Anora. If Loghain was executed Alistair supports you over Anora, and Anora must put up with you. If you spare Loghain then Alistair is disinclined to support you and allows Anora to overrule you whenever she disagrees with you. 68.82.52.241 10:53, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Question about Alistair's epilogue

Under Alistair's epilogue, it states that he can become king and announce the human noble female as his queen. But from everything I've seen online, he never actually announces it, and it is up to the human noble to make herself queen, even if he is hardened. So, my question is this, is it actually possible for him to announce her as his queen? and if so, how is this achieved?

Also, in my most recent epilogue, my elven mage was in a romance with him, he was hardened and became king, and the epilogue stated that he left court to help her rebuild the wardens, leaving her side only to put up a memorial for Duncan.

"(PS3 and Xbox360 version) If Anora is queen and you opted to take Morrigan up on her dark promise, requesting from the queen that the Grey Wardens not be forgotten causes her to speak of Alistair as if he were dead, yet he is standing near you on the dais." - This bug occurs on PC version too. Tried on 1.01 and 1.02.

In the epilogue, its just saying that he later did announce you and him were married, there is no in game scene for that though, he wont announce it because the ceremony is 6 months AFTER the Archdemon was slain, so for a 6 month period, you weren't Queen, and well... the game ends pretty much right after you slay the Archdemon, and "greet your public".
142.165.162.142 (talk) 06:53, June 5, 2011 (UTC)Nocturna

Sten's "clickphrase"

If you click Sten after having talked to him in the Throne Room, he will state

"Where is the cake? I was told there would be cake. The cake is a lie!"

I think this funny reference to Portal is noteworthy enough.

88.69.211.5 01:18, March 24, 2010 (UTC) Bitfire

King of Orzammar - Dwarf Noble

I don't believe it's possible to be named heir by Harrowmont as a Dwarf Noble. You get named heir to House Aeducan but there's nothing mentioned about you being put forth as a candidate for succession as the king, at least not as stated in the article. The line of kings from House Aeducan is broken if you put Harrowmont in charge, right?

I just finished the game now doing every step supposedly needed to become king; Asking for human military aid as your boon and stating to Anora and Gorim you intend to return to Orzammar. This was really disappointing for me so unless someone can actually show the supposed Epilogue slide for this ending, I suggest the part of the article referring to this be edited to prevent further confusion. AgentPiltdown 22:25, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

It's not in the slideshow. I just used the toolset to look at cutscene_slideshow.dlg, the file that contains the text blurbs for the epilogue slideshow. There's nothing about Harrowmont naming a dwarf noble character as -his- heir anywhere in there, only that the assembly declared the player a living paragon after months of deliberation, and a -new- house was founded in his name. In epi_gorim.dlg, Gorim's post-coronation dialogue file, he informs a dwarven noble character that Harrowmont named the player character -heir to House Aeducan- as previously noted above, but that's not the same as being proclaimed Harrowmont's heir. Thus I agree that it should be changed. -Vim- 23:20, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Shale Epilogue PC Bug

I've run into a bug where Shale is present in the post-coronation scene, but her rendering is completely fubared--she looks like she's wearing Caradin's skin, but because she's not the same size, the effect is to make her look like a heap of scrap metal. Has anyone else encountered this, and is there a fix? Rosenoire 05:33, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

I had this happen to me also, it only seemed to be after reloading a save in the throne room after starting a game of awakening with the character you saved in the throne room.188.222.152.161 20:17, May 23, 2010 (UTC)Michael

I don't have Awakening (being on a Mac, etc...) but I got the "car wreck" shale after re-loading the post-coronation save, too... -- Marvin Arnold (talk) 15:33, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Mage Epilogue

Can a Mage Warden still choose "title and riches" and become Teryn of Gwaren? I'd think that being a teryn would count as "ruling over man", and that the Chantry would have something to say about this.

Also, how is it that the King or Queen of Ferelden has the authority to declare that the Circle can work without Chantry interference? Rosenoire 03:12, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think the "title and riches" only works for Human Nobles. -- 84.142.91.40 (talk) 15:20, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

You can become the new Teryn regardless of your race and gender. I became the Teryn as an elven Mage, but the epilogue makes no mention of it. Lobsel Vith (talk) 02:06, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the Circles, they exist in many places in Thedas. The King or Queen of Ferelden basically emancipates the Circle in Ferelden with Magi Boon, but has no authority over Circles in other provinces (like Orlais, which I believe has six Circles). Lobsel Vith (talk) 18:34, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Correction: Despite the conversation with Irving and the lack of an independent Circle of Orzammar that would indicate that the mages are given their independence, the Chantry says no to the Magi boon, as confirmed by David Gaider. Lobsel Vith (talk) 19:55, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Why there is Anora in my ending?

I was a human noble female and i married Alistair,and he decided he should lock her in the tower,so why in the end,she is the one that speaks about me like the real Queen? I am really pissed with that.

Because the epilogue is buggy as hell, that's why. Elanorea (talk) 16:54, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer.That sucks,i hope they will fix it :(

The Circle boon seems to be ignored in Awakening

At the end of Origins, a Mage can ask for the Circle to be freed from the Chantry and the templars, and given independence, but in Awakening, the templars are still be part of the Circle, hunting down a Mage (Anders). Wynne mentions a meeting in Cumberland with the Circles debating to be free, so I can see that some Circles may still need to deal with the Chantry, but Anders is from Kinloch Hold in Ferelden and the Ferelden Circle still seems to have templars. It seems that the Circle royal boon is ignored in Dragon Age continuity.Lobsel Vith (talk) 01:44, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

I haven't played Awakening yet, but that's not necessarily an inconsistency. Just because the Chantry no longer supervises the Circle itself doesn't mean that it's suddenly legal for mages not to belong to the Circle. It's still illegal to be an apostate. -Vim- (talk) 09:21, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

But there's no indication that the Circle has been given independence, and even the Anders epilogue states that templars will be at the Circle ignoring the intent of the Magi Boon. It seems like an oversight, like the Paragon Warden being a "guest of honor" in Orzammar despite living there. Lobsel Vith (talk) 16:15, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

I have a theory for this, after thinking about it with my own imported Mage Awakening save. Basically, when you kill the Archdemon, an auto-save is made. I used this auto-save to strip all my party members of all my gear etc. However, since this auto-save is from BEFORE the coronation, the decision wasn't imported! That's the theory anyway. I plan on importing a save after I ask for the boon and see if this changes anything in regards to the dialogue in Awakening. Since I don't want to import this save into Dragon Age II only to find my loot-obsessed ways costing me continuity XD I could be wrong though, watch this space --Jeremy the White Rogue (talk) 12:51, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

The import works; Awakening recognizes the choice of a Cousland Warden to be King or Queen. Unfortunately, David Gaider has stated that the Chantry refuses the Magi boon when the ruler of Ferelden asks for the mages of the Circle of Ferelden to be given their independence. Lobsel Vith (talk) 01:15, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

That's a different ball game, though. The Human Noble gets the "game decision" to be king or queen way before the coronation happens. A mage, however, can only ask Anora this at the very end. And the autosave is made before Anora can ask the boon, so regardless of whether the choice is adknowledged or not, it wasn't "imported" on my game. Since David Gaider also said that the independence argument with the Chantry isn't over (even if they refused it at first), I'm going to start my Mage over again because I'm super paranoid lol --Jeremy the White Rogue (talk) 05:04, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

But Awakening also recognizes if the Warden elects to become Chancellor as the royal boon even though it's a game decision made at the very end, so I don't see why it wouldn't recognize the Magi Hero of Ferelden asking for the Circle of Ferelden to be emancipated. I think this story point might come up during DA2 (since the game data from DA:O can be imported), and regardless of what the Chantry says, it's the only boon I'd ever ask of the ruler of Ferelden. Lobsel Vith (talk) 14:38, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

The pre-Awakening Darkspawn end

Does it only appear if you survive? --Miumaru (talk) 05:00, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

You mean the mention of some darkspawn still above ground in the epilogue? I believe it is. The writers seemed to have an idea of exploring this since Alistair or Anora always give Amaranthine to the Grey Wardens (the setting of Awakening)although I think it's mentioned some of the darkspawn actually made it as far as Orlais, so it might be a plot point that's brought up for DA2. Lobsel Vith (talk) 14:11, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Alistair king even though I chose Anora.

I'm not sure if I hardened Alistair, but I was a female elf romancing with him and I had chosen Anora as the queen. I didn't agree on Morrigan's ritual. In the end tho, on the rooftop, he refers to himself as the king, refuses me to take the final blow on the dragon (when i refure him to do it he says something like "you're saying that as if i gave you a choice") and sacrifices himself. I went back to the save where i could agree on morrigan's ritual, and let alistair go through it.. He survives of course. But.... In the end he is crowned the king. I don't get it? Did I miss something? Is it bugged? Or am I simply stupid? =P In this ending it says something about that Alistair is being with "his love". His love is "me" then I suppose? Sorry if these questions are stupid, it's the first time I played the game! Faeniel (talk) 22:02, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

David Gaider said the Magi boon doesn't happen

[According to David Gaider][2]:

"Keep in mind, however, that the kingdom doesn't control the Circle of Magi. That conversation no doubt went a little like this:

King/Queen: "We would like mages in Ferelden to be free." Chantry: "No."

That said, the conversation doesn't necessarily stop there-- as you'll see. We can indeed pick up the boons the Origins player was granted and do intend to use them in the future."

I was thinking that the Epilogue page should reflect this. Lobsel Vith (talk) 17:54, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Cullen's ending

It seems as if what chooses his fate as commander with strict rule or going insane and killing mages is determined by whether or not the tower is given autonomy as opposed to whether or not they sided with the Mages or Templars in the Broken Circle. I posted this in Cullen's talk page but I'll essentially post the same info here. Someone I know who played the Mage Origin sided with the mages, but purposefully let them all die during the Uldred encounter. Then he played different options, one had him not grant the autonomy to the Tower and Cullen became Knight Commander after Greagoir with strict rule etc. The second time he did grant autonomy and Cullen went insane etc. Third he did the ultimate sacrifice and Queen Anora granted the tower autonomy and Cullen went insane as well. His choice of siding with the mages and letting all the mages die in the Broken Circle is the consistent factor here. I don't know if letting the mages die determines if you sided with templars or mages, but I would think letting mages die while siding with them does not mean that you sided with the templars by default, although you do get the templars instead of mages in the final battle, he did not lose Wynne in the Broken Circle since he sided with the mages. So I'd edit the page, but would like to wait for more confirmation before changing it completely. Celsis (talk) 02:27, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

When recruiting the mages, the slide for Cullen's "go crazy" ending seems to differ from what the wiki says. A friend with a magi origin Warden recruited the mages and gave the Circle its independence and got the slide for clearing out abominations. Meanwhile I ran a human noble who recruited the mages but did not give the Circle its independence (I don't know if it was even an option for me), and got the "Cullen went crazy" slide in my epilogue. Need to confirm that this is consistent before editing the page, however. KogarashiKaze (talk) 19:15, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Leliana's Quest

It says in the wiki that Leliana will not accept your offer of help on her quest if you haven't romanced her. I never did, but she accepted it anyway. Someone may wanna add that.

Shale's Mortality

What is all that about Shale trying to regain her mortality? I have played through the game several times, but I have never encountered any dialogue that may hint that Shale wants to become mortal... --AriesCZ (talk) 13:50, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Shale doesn't decide on "becoming mortal" again until the end of the game. As Wynne puts it, Shale admired the Warden enough that she wanted to become "squishy" again. I believe this only happens if the Warden has a high enough approval with Shale, though. --Jeremy the White Rogue (talk) 18:57, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Bugged or Removed Werewolf Ending

I recently got a mod that allows me to change options for Quest flags and found that after you complete the Nature of the Beast quest by freeing them from their curse it sets flags for free from the curse and that they all died. I changed the flag from all the werewolf being dead to them being alive and replayed the epilogue and found that there is a slide talking about how the werewolf now humans became the best animal tamers in Thedas. heres a link to a screenshot http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n619/TheSajuukKhar/werwolf.png?t=1294553643 Signed some random anon who's going to get yelled at because I added something to a edit page without signing up 1/9/2011 12:15am

That's a good point; I was discussing this same missing epilogue with ejoslin, who makes unofficial patches for the game. The Epilogue should reflect that. The elven Bann epilogue is also bugged, missing the Bann Warden and Bann Shianni scenes. Lobsel Vith (talk) 01:32, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Connor Ending

The ending in which Connor join the Mage's Circle and goes to tivinter doesn't require Lady Isolde to die. I have gotton that ending all the times i have used the circle of magi to send someone into the fade to kill the desire deamon i htink the page should be updated and the line requires Lady Isodle to die should be removed. Signed "some random anon who's probably going to be yelled at because he added a topic to the end page without signing in" 13/1/2010 5:14 AM

I too have gotten that ending last time when i had the circle do it and sent wynne in to the fade lady isolde didnt die WardenHero (talk) 02:06, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

Difference between Alistair marrying Anora Epilogue

The 2 epilogue options being:

1. Anora weds Alistair; becoming a skilled governor, concerning herself with matters of court and law, while Alistair traveled making personal appearances to commoners, delighting them to no end.
2. Anora weds Alistair and they rule together both in matters of court and law, and both making personal appearances together, supervising the reconstruction process, meeting the enthusiastic approval of the people to the point where it was considered that the chaos of the civil war and the landsmeet were worth it for delivering such beloved monarchs.

I though the difference was if Alistair was hardened but I had a hardened Alistair and I got the first one.

Does anyone know how to get the second epilogue option? ~~ unsigned ________

Did you do the ritual, or sacrifice? I've always done the ritual, and the only time I've gotten the first epilogue, was when he wasn't Hardened. Shadizar666 (Ruck Rules) 06:50, March 1, 2013 (UTC)

If you want to get the proper elven Bann Epilogues

The elven Bann Epilogue slides don't properly show up because of a bad flag in the same way the Magi boon Epilogue isn't properly recognized if Alistair gives the boon as King. The mod that can fix this is ZDF Dialog Fix - formerly Zevran Dialog Fix or Morrigan Restoration Patch Dialog Fixpack Lobsel Vith (talk) 17:12, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Hypothetical Sacrifice Ending

I haven't tried this playthrough yet, but was curious if anyone knows the outcome. If you have a female warden romancing a hardened Alistair and choose to have him marry Anora, but spare Loghain, he leaves you, but shouldn't become an exiled drunk, right? So then if you choose to refuse Morrigan's ritual and sacrifice yourself rather than let Loghain take credit for saving Ferelden, is it Anora who would then give your eulogy? Does Alistair even show up at the funeral or feel any grief in the epilogue or is he still bitter and angry with you for conscripting Loghain? --Starlily (talk) 19:57, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Queen Anora will give the eulogy if Loghain is spared. Lobsel Vith (talk) 20:14, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Shale staying in Denerim

Since this line has been questioned twice (the comments are on the article—see the history), I've removed it. It looks like false information. --D. (talk · contr) 05:24, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Alistair and Leliana Disappear

I sacrificed myself and Alistair later quit the Wardens, saying it didn't feel right, and he eventually disappears. So what would happen in DA2? And Leliana disappears as well, some people saying she went back to Orlais, etc. I haven't seen this mentioned in either of their epilogues, but I think it's important enough. 71.243.47.100 (talk) 22:31, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Queen without Romance

Can a female noble Warden marry Alistair and become Queen/Princess-consort without having been in a romance with him?--HED - HalfElfDragon 02:16, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but I -believe- you need 100 friendship to do it. Just announce you'll be queen at the same point you would for a romance. Imany (talk) 18:42, September 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'm confirming that this is possible. I'm playing through right now and did exactly this :) I did have 100 friendship with Alistair, and just picked the persuade option that said Alistair would rule and I would would be queen. Aperturebug (talk) 06:24, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Leliana Explained

A simple explanation, she's a rogue and a survivor; she used Feign Death on you. Shadizar666 (Ruck Rules) 18:23, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think game mechanics explain Leliana's resurrection if she was killed by The Warden. Lobsel Vith (talk) 16:34, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Other NPCs attending the ceremony Section

Is this section accurate? Particularly with Jowan and Lily? I've never gotten this before and I always free Jowan to come to the Main Hall and talk about the ritual. MicManGuy (talk) 11:18, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

No it is not. The information of this topic was obtained via console which makes it potentially inaccurate. See here for the latest example. However, the "missing info" tag of the article already lists this issue. 12:10, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

I can confirm that Jowan and Lily don't appear in the post-coronation Epilogue. BUT they have positions to appear in the Funeral. To do this, open the Toolset and look under Areas in the Epilogue Folder.

Open api300ar_post_coronation.are. Under Creatures, you can see a long list of NPCs that appear under varying circumstances. Jowan and Lily are not among them.

Open api300ar_players_funeral.are. Under Creatures, Jowan and Lily are both present (highlighted red).

I just don't know how to see the conditions of their spawn. AUGH!! I'm so close!

MicManGuy (talk) 15:22, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Strike that! Someone helped me find it! Also, they're wearing tranquil robes. Very interesting. I'm not going to test it by playing a whole game, but this is enough to convince me. I'll make a minor note of it. MicManGuy (talk) 14:43, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Shale missing

Shale isn't in my post-coronation ceremony so I have on chance to speak to her. However in other wardens I've created, Wynne specifically mentions that they leave together to regain Shale's squishy flesh. But that doesn't change the fact that Shale isn't there and I have no way of speaking to her after slaying the Archdemon. Is there a way to fix this bug so that she actually appears? ----anon

• on PS3

Unfortunately, it seems to be an issue with the console versions. There doesn't appear to be a patch that fixes this issue. Lobsel Vith (talk) 17:55, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Dead King Alistar + Queen Human Noble?

What happens if you married King Alistair as a human noble but he made the sacrifice? Are you Queen?

71.184.108.218 (talk) 04:29, January 26, 2016 (UTC)anon

The Warden can't rule on their own. If Alistair makes the sacrifice then Anora becomes solo queen. --Evamitchelle (talk) 05:09, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, the Warden doesn't even marry Alistair until after the Final Battle, so she couldn't be queen if Alistair sacrificed himself. --♫ Kelcat ^Talk 07:10, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Mistress stuff

I've confirmed that there is no mention of a mistress Warden in the epilogue. I'm going to remove that request from the missing tag, if there is no problem. --Zero (talk) 07:40, May 10, 2017 (UTC)

A Potential Loghain Communication Bug

In this section of the wiki: "Loghain Loghain has been tapped to lead up the Grey Warden recruitment efforts in Ferelden, something that he believes is down to Anora's influence. Loghain will show curiosity at the Warden's survival due to Riordan's explanation. If the Warden tells him, he will vow to keep the secret as well, implying that he is partly doing so due to his mistrust of the Orlesian Wardens. If his Approval is Warm, he will tell the Hero that they have earned his respect."

There may need to be a bug added (I don't know how to edit it in with the correct format) in Loghain's dialogue.

Topic: When you speak to Loghain he states "I find it difficult to believe that he deliberately misled us. Have you another explanation for what happened?" --- This question is in reference to Loghain believing Riordan lied about the sacrifice when killing the Arch Demon, and assumes the Dark Ritual occurred and a Male Warden "did the deed" to complete it.

Issue: In my last playthrough, I received that dialogue from Loghain despite the fact that I persuaded him to "do the deed" with Morrigan to complete the Dark Ritual.

Circumstances: 1. Female Dalish Elf Warden 2. Hardened Alistair 3. No PC romance with Morrigan or Alistair (I went for a Leliana + Zev fun run) 4. Loghain was at maximum approval at the time of the Dark Ritual. 5. Persuaded Loghain and got him to agree to do the deed; didn't order him to.

I don't believe any other circumstances matter, but I'm happy to add others if asked. I do believe this may be a bug. PhoenixDAW (talk) 05:41, 22 November 2023 (UTC)