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Name Edit

In the quest journal the area is named simply Emerald Graves. However, when you're in the area, the map calls it The Emerald Graves. Which one shall we use? --Kelcat Talk 21:32, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this would work, if there'll ever be an article or a section on a quest page for the Emerald Graves quests, then that could be Emerald Graves, while the location's article could be The Emerald Graves. Or would that be possibly too confusing or bad because of inconsistency? --Margerard 12:39, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

I'd prefer if we treat these articles as pages about geographic regions, not locations in the game, and always omit "The". – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 12:48, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

I would've thought they'd use the geographically accurate name for the in-game map, hence the suggestion, but if that's not the case, then obviously let's go with whatever is the actual name of the region. --Margerard 13:08, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
But if a geographic region has the word "the" in it, why would we not include that? We have defaultsort, so the articles can be sorted properly. Is it a grammar convention? --Kelcat Talk 16:57, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
I'm used to wikipedia conventions – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(definite_or_indefinite_article_at_beginning_of_name) "The" is usually omitted on the maps too. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 17:46, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
Seems it's not possible to know the intended name, as there are different versions. Storm Coast has the opposite case to Emerald Graves for example. So you can't trust neither the map nor journal. It makes sense to add "the" to the places like Hinterlands and Emerald Graves, but what about Crestwood, Emprise du Lion, Exalted Plains, Forbidden Oasis? Looking at old maps and entries, it seems Bioware happily mixes the names, so perhaps it is best to use previous naming policies, if you had any? It seems that using "the" is being practiced at least in some cases, so this could support using the article (however, not always as a default?). <-Kewpies (talk) 18:57, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

For what it's worth, looking at the map of Thedas, I have noticed a pattern with naming of areas. It seems that areas with "common" names, so to speak, all have 'The'. For example, 'THE Western Approach', 'THE Coastlands', 'THE Sea of Ash', etc. Whereas areas that have more unusual names like 'Deauvin Flats', Korcari Wilds' and 'Malcelin Geysers' do not have 'The'. The pattern is not perfect but it stood out to me as worth considering.--Wsowen02 (talk) 19:56, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, after taking a second look at these two conditions that Wikipedia points out as a reference, following these guidelines would just create a mess for DA Wiki. We cannot use the second condition (because geographic DA names do not have "The" with a big "T"). We can't use the first condition either, as there are no "emerald graves", "western approaches" or "storm coasts" in DA games, which would have created the need to distinguish these. So it's only possible to use the article for a region, when we reach a consensus that this is how it should be. Notice that per Wikipedia guidelines, most geographical area articles here then have a wrong naming. As none of geographical names use big "T", but only "the". Kewpies (talk) 20:42, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

I started a forum discussion because I think it would be a good idea to come up with a wiki-wide guideline for this. --Kelcat Talk 22:21, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Puzzle Edit

I have no experience with adding puzzles but if I were to add it, where and how would I do it? I'm asking it here for now because there's a particular puzzle here at the Lion's Pavilion and there have been a few people asking me about that puzzle, and I noticed it's still not added here. --Margerard 12:39, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

What sort of format is it? If it's an image it can be included in the gallery, or in the body of the text that addresses the puzzle. --Kelcat Talk 16:57, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
It'd be probably a simplified paint image from above to help explain - it's basically lighting torches in a certain order certain times, so an image may not even be necessary and I could just add the text. I was unsure mainly about where would I put it, if I would put it on the article or a new quest page (although as far as I know there's no quest for it). --Margerard 03:53, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
I'm trying to build a quest page for this, it's part of a larger non-journal quest, a treasure hunt. I added it under quests below the random Farbanks encounter.--DeusZERO (talk) 01:15, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Treasure hunt page made. This includes the puzzle that you are mentioning. If you make the image you can post it on the "quest" page.--DeusZERO (talk) 10:07, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

So where the hell is this mythical page that you say was created? 71.10.36.219 (talk) 06:23, September 15, 2016 (UTC)Tsuki_Ouji

Ah, found it; it's hardly obvious, there should probably be a note on the page. For the benefit of anybody coming here looking for help, look for "Parson's Battered Notebook" here. It's part of a scavenger hunt/riddle. 71.10.36.219 (talk) 06:27, September 15, 2016 (UTC)Tsuki_Ouji

Quests Format Edit

Unlike the other location pages, this one lists all the quests along with extra details (giver, reward, summary). Should we change this to match the other ones? --KeladinStorm (talk) 17:18, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

Yup, the list with quest names should be enough I think. Mostly because this article is about the location itself and quests are just listed as something related to it. Could be good to hear more opinions about this though. Kewpies (talk) 17:34, January 14, 2015 (UTC)

Codex entries Edit

Added Codex entry: Parson's Battered Notebook as it's important to the puzzle. Got a scripting error and now it's showing the actual codex entry instead of just the link. If someone could clean this up please.

Fixed (just needs to update) -- Ness csr (talk) 01:21, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
Can you verify, I'm still getting parts of the codex entry. May be because I tried cleaning up the entry itself, but this list is still wrong for me.--DeusZERO (talk) 01:44, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
Should be right now, I think there were multiple editors looking at the pages at the same time -- Ness csr (talk) 01:46, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
The <onlyinclude> was placed above the {{Missing info}} tag, which is what messed this page up. Looks fine now. --Kelcat Talk 01:49, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
I thought that script command was the problem it was missing the </onlyinclude> when I viewed it. Ness csr was right, to many cooks in the pot.--DeusZERO (talk) 02:03, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Maps Edit

Not for the first time, not the first location, the map shown here on the wiki is similar but not identical to the one I have on my PC in the game. (Even some of the legend seems odd, after all what it that symbol that looks like a soldier ?) Are the maps shown here from a different piece of kit to the PC ? Or are they an old pre-release versions ? I must say the experience when traversing the landscape fits better with the map here. I have just spend a few minutes trying to travel westward through woods (as far as the map is concerned) but forced more and more south due to cliff/rock not shown on the map.

Wandering from the point slightly; I have also known the in game maps to be messed up anyway. I can not recall which building I was exploring recently but there I was being shown on the map waltzing through room walls but unable to get to the corridor just south of me. I think there is the occasional misalignment bug in the game at present.


But back to the issue, maybe the maps shown here need looking at again ?

81.141.179.188 (talk) 09:02, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

I haven't played since the last update so I'll need to check to be sure. But the map image here is identical to the one I saw in the Xbox One version of the game. Upload a screenshot of the map where you are seeing this happen and list the location if you can. I'll recheck the map here to see if there were changes.
--DeusZERO (talk) 18:02, August 1, 2015 (UTC)
Checked my in-game map, for the Xbox One version, this map is still identical. It's fully revealed and has different markers on it. A legend may be necessary. But it's the same.
--DeusZERO (talk) 19:16, August 1, 2015 (UTC)

Good question. Do you think you could provide us with a side by side image with the differences outlined? That might give us a clearer idea of what has occurred. -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 09:43, August 1, 2015 (UTC)