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In the quest journal the area is named simply Emerald Graves. However, when you're in the area, the map calls it The Emerald Graves. Which one shall we use? --♫ Kelcat Talk 21:32, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if this would work, if there'll ever be an article or a section on a quest page for the Emerald Graves quests, then that could be Emerald Graves, while the location's article could be The Emerald Graves. Or would that be possibly too confusing or bad because of inconsistency? -- 12:39, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- I would've thought they'd use the geographically accurate name for the in-game map, hence the suggestion, but if that's not the case, then obviously let's go with whatever is the actual name of the region. -- 13:08, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- But if a geographic region has the word "the" in it, why would we not include that? We have defaultsort, so the articles can be sorted properly. Is it a grammar convention? --♫ Kelcat Talk 16:57, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- I'm used to wikipedia conventions – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(definite_or_indefinite_article_at_beginning_of_name) "The" is usually omitted on the maps too. – mostlyautumn • talk • contribs • 17:46, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- Seems it's not possible to know the intended name, as there are different versions. Storm Coast has the opposite case to Emerald Graves for example. So you can't trust neither the map nor journal. It makes sense to add "the" to the places like Hinterlands and Emerald Graves, but what about Crestwood, Emprise du Lion, Exalted Plains, Forbidden Oasis? Looking at old maps and entries, it seems Bioware happily mixes the names, so perhaps it is best to use previous naming policies, if you had any? It seems that using "the" is being practiced at least in some cases, so this could support using the article (however, not always as a default?). <-Kewpies (talk) 18:57, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
For what it's worth, looking at the map of Thedas, I have noticed a pattern with naming of areas. It seems that areas with "common" names, so to speak, all have 'The'. For example, 'THE Western Approach', 'THE Coastlands', 'THE Sea of Ash', etc. Whereas areas that have more unusual names like 'Deauvin Flats', Korcari Wilds' and 'Malcelin Geysers' do not have 'The'. The pattern is not perfect but it stood out to me as worth considering.--Wsowen02 (talk) 19:56, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- Hm, after taking a second look at these two conditions that Wikipedia points out as a reference, following these guidelines would just create a mess for DA Wiki. We cannot use the second condition (because geographic DA names do not have "The" with a big "T"). We can't use the first condition either, as there are no "emerald graves", "western approaches" or "storm coasts" in DA games, which would have created the need to distinguish these. So it's only possible to use the article for a region, when we reach a consensus that this is how it should be. Notice that per Wikipedia guidelines, most geographical area articles here then have a wrong naming. As none of geographical names use big "T", but only "the". Kewpies (talk) 20:42, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
I have no experience with adding puzzles but if I were to add it, where and how would I do it? I'm asking it here for now because there's a particular puzzle here at the Lion's Pavilion and there have been a few people asking me about that puzzle, and I noticed it's still not added here. -- 12:39, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- What sort of format is it? If it's an image it can be included in the gallery, or in the body of the text that addresses the puzzle. --♫ Kelcat Talk 16:57, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
- It'd be probably a simplified paint image from above to help explain - it's basically lighting torches in a certain order certain times, so an image may not even be necessary and I could just add the text. I was unsure mainly about where would I put it, if I would put it on the article or a new quest page (although as far as I know there's no quest for it). -- 03:53, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
Ah, found it; it's hardly obvious, there should probably be a note on the page. For the benefit of anybody coming here looking for help, look for "Parson's Battered Notebook" here. It's part of a scavenger hunt/riddle. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 06:27, September 15, 2016 (UTC)Tsuki_Ouji
Quests Format Edit
Unlike the other location pages, this one lists all the quests along with extra details (giver, reward, summary). Should we change this to match the other ones? --KeladinStorm (talk) 17:18, January 14, 2015 (UTC)
- Yup, the list with quest names should be enough I think. Mostly because this article is about the location itself and quests are just listed as something related to it. Could be good to hear more opinions about this though. Kewpies (talk) 17:34, January 14, 2015 (UTC)
Codex entries Edit
Added Codex entry: Parson's Battered Notebook as it's important to the puzzle. Got a scripting error and now it's showing the actual codex entry instead of just the link. If someone could clean this up please.
Not for the first time, not the first location, the map shown here on the wiki is similar but not identical to the one I have on my PC in the game. (Even some of the legend seems odd, after all what it that symbol that looks like a soldier ?) Are the maps shown here from a different piece of kit to the PC ? Or are they an old pre-release versions ? I must say the experience when traversing the landscape fits better with the map here. I have just spend a few minutes trying to travel westward through woods (as far as the map is concerned) but forced more and more south due to cliff/rock not shown on the map.
Wandering from the point slightly; I have also known the in game maps to be messed up anyway. I can not recall which building I was exploring recently but there I was being shown on the map waltzing through room walls but unable to get to the corridor just south of me. I think there is the occasional misalignment bug in the game at present.
But back to the issue, maybe the maps shown here need looking at again ?
- I haven't played since the last update so I'll need to check to be sure. But the map image here is identical to the one I saw in the Xbox One version of the game. Upload a screenshot of the map where you are seeing this happen and list the location if you can. I'll recheck the map here to see if there were changes.
- --DeusZERO (talk) 18:02, August 1, 2015 (UTC)
Good question. Do you think you could provide us with a side by side image with the differences outlined? That might give us a clearer idea of what has occurred. -HD3 (Talk) 09:43, August 1, 2015 (UTC)