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Organization infobox Edit

I think the organization infobox should either be removed or replaced with a custom one. Dalish are not an organization in the usual sense, they are an ethnic group. – mostlyautumntalkcontribs • 05:12, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

I agree, they should be treated differently than organizations. --Kelcat (talk) 06:19, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

Dalish = Irish? Edit

In the Notes section: "Dalish elves bear significant cultural and historical similarities to real world Irish people. (Daoine Éirinneach)"

Seeing as how this is constantly being added back in without a reason, this should be addressed rather than just edit warring. I’m not sure where the developers stated that they based the Dalish people on the Irish, so we need some sources about that. It’s also not enough just to say they are similar. If they really are "significantly" similar, there needs to be elaboration on what those similarities are (I know very little about Irish history or culture so I can’t contribute to that). I also have absolutely no idea what the phrase at the end means, which isn’t very helpful on an english language wiki.

If the developers didn’t say the Dalish are based on the Irish, and if the statement can’t be elaborated on, it should be removed per DA:TRIVIA: "If an article has similarities to another fictional or real world thing, this does not automatically make it trivia. Ideally trivia about similar names should have developer confirmation or multiple similar traits that demonstrate what makes it worth mentioning." --Kelcat (talk) 00:11, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think the devs said they are based on the Irish. what David Gaider said was "The Dalish started off as the wandering Rom (or gypsies, if you prefer) but evolved into something more akin to North American Natives (and, really, the Native situation is also a good analogy for elves as a whole)." as you can see here http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:social.bioware.com/msg.forum/forum/Dragon-Age-Origins/Official-Campaign-Quests-and-Storylines-Spoilers-Warning/Thedas-nations-real-world-historical-insperations-184624-1.html 98.197.188.123 (talk) 02:14, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think this is noteworthy enough, especially so since it wasn't outright stated. Dragon Age has many inspirations in real world, such as Carta is clearly a Cartel, but not all similarities warrant a mention on the articles. Henio0 (talk) 15:25, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
I do not see any harm in putting it in there. Trivia sections a supposed to give people interesting information. It doesn't have to be noteworthy to 'you' because 'you' are not the only person reading this Wiki! As long as it is true, and can be backed up with fact then there is absolutely nothing wrong with posting it. Please do not delete information others may find interesting simply because 'you' do not, it is immature and completely futile as it will only be posted again. Please remember that the whole point of this wiki is to give readers valid information on the game, does it really matter what the info is as long as it is true and on the correct page?—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
There are these things called guidelines and if content is against the guidelines, which are set by the community and not one person, the content is deleted, and bringing it back after it was deleted is not constructive behaviour. It was deleted off this page, as is right by the guidelines, but then it was readded, and thus the discussion was started as to whether or not we should make an exception. So far yours is the only opinion that says this should be left on the page. Wikia is a community project, not a single person's. Dragon Age Wiki:Trivia guidelines says "If an article has similarities to another fictional or real world thing, this does not automatically make it trivia. Ideally trivia about similar names should have developer confirmation or multiple similar traits that demonstrate what makes it worth mentioning". Right now we are discussing the last sentence, whether or not it was confirmed by BioWare, or whether it has enough to be left in. If you care, make your case and people may wish to keep in the article. However, for now there isn't really a need to this trivia. Henio0 (talk) 16:13, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
I hadn’t read that comment by David Gaider before, so thanks first anon for linking that. Given that Gaider cited a different specific culture as inspiration for the Dalish, I don’t think this information about the Irish should remain. It looks like there are ‘’some’’ similarities, but I don’t think there are enough to justify it staying. There are many, many real-world connections that could be made to various things in Dragon Age, and putting them all in just bogs the wiki down and takes away from the ultimate goal of the wiki: to provide correct, meaningful, and accurate information about Dragon Age. To turn it back around, just because ‘’you’’ think it’s meaningful, doesn’t mean it should stay. If consensus is reached that it is relevant and should stay, the non-english phrase (whatever it says) should be removed. Kelcat (talk) 19:50, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
I agree. I also can't escape the feeling that the wording seems very much like whomever wrote it was putting across an agenda, the 'Anglo English' (whatever they are) 'enslaving' the Irish for centuries. Even if it does remain, it really ought to be reworded, made less partisan. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 20:24, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Do Dalish take the name of the clan they were born into as their last name? Edit

I'm curious about this as the elven Inquisitor's last name is Lavellan, which is the same name as her/his clan. Does that mean the Dalish Warden was born to a clan called Mahariel and Merrill's full name is Merrill Alerion? Or is it just a coincidence? Xsari (talk) 21:45, August 22, 2014 (GMT)

That's a really good question. I doubt it's a coincidence, perhaps it has something to do with the Inquisitor's status in the clan (as a potential First)? She/he might be a descendant from the clans founder, hence the name. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 22:18, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
I doubt Dalish use last name anyway. But the Inquisitor is a person of note, and so when required, they just identify themselves with the clan's name as last name. User signature henioo henioo (da talk page) 07:40, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
But then how come the Dalish Warden has a different last name to her/his clan? Xsari (talk) 11:45, August 23, 2014 (GMT)
Clan Sabrae was referenced as Clan Mahariel in the DA:O guidebook, actually. It seems the name of the clan was changed in the sequel since the Dalish Warden is referenced simply as 'Mahariel' a few times in Dragon Age II. Lobsel Vith (talk) 12:06, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
I'd say that it's not a coincidence, but also not a hard rule. Dalish clans supposedly trace their roots to noble households of the Dales. Most probably when the war was pretty much lost to an Exalted March, the surviving nobles, unable to regroup and push the invaders away, took their soldiers and servants and retreated east. Many early Dalish wanderers were actually nobles or at least loyal to particular noble family (and it wouldn't be uncommon only for the nobles to actually have a family name). After a couple hundred years they're usually all related in a clan and most likely each clan consists either of one dominant family and possibly a couple "branches" or of a couple more-or-less equal big families with the clan bearing the name of one of them. That would explain both the Inquisitor's and Warden's names. 78.9.1.54 (talk) 23:51, January 17, 2015 (UTC)Eliastion

The Dalish always talk about how none of their culture is left, but remember the Brecilian Forest temple? Chock-full of Elvhen books and artifacts, especially the room where you can specialize as a Arcane Warrior by freeing the spirit from the phylactery. Altmer911 (talk) 02:15, February 7, 2015 (UTC)Altmer911

books in the brecilian forest? Edit

The Dalish always talk about how none of their culture is left, but remember the Brecilian Forest temple? Chock-full of Elvhen books and artifacts, especially the room where you can specialize as a Arcane Warrior by freeing the spirit from the phylactery. Altmer911 (talk) 02:17, February 7, 2015 (UTC)Altmer911

As the article states: "...[they] instruct through the use of lore and storytelling. The Dalish retain their history through oral tradition as well as books in some cases." --Kelcat Talk 03:02, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Genetic variation? Edit

does anyone else assume that the clans are larger than what bioware animates, designs and voice acts due to the fact that there would need to be large population of Dalish bloodlines to prevent deleterious genetic drift and inbreeding over the centuries? WhisperingElf (talk) 04:25, February 28, 2015 (UTC)WhisperingElf

"Passing By" Song Edit

which template should i use/how should I include the Dalish educational song 'Passing By'? I feel like it's very important to their culture. WhisperingElf (talk) 20:57, May 19, 2015 (UTC)WhisperingElf

Dalish demonym Edit

Mary kirby dalish tweet

Directly from Dragon Age writer Mary Kirby herself, the elves living in the dales did refer to themselevs as the dalish prior to the kingdom's collapse. -Seekers of Truth heraldryHD3 (Talk) 03:52, October 29, 2015 (UTC)