I just had a crazy idea: Sister Petrice. Now hold on--don't go anywhere, this gets good! I know for a fact that with a little last minute Aggression Hawke-ing you can join her in her crusade against the Qunari in Kirkwall (Dragon Age II) and then she's stripped of her title of mother and goes off rabble rousing and presumably does "schism" related things.
Am I the only one who thinks the most hateable antagonist in DA: II could have been the smart/attractive/basicallyLeadershipMaterial that Cassandra was (at least in my opinion) meant to be but failed?
DA: II's "sexy" body model for women meant that even fully clothed burqaed Chantry sisters looked like models just waiting to make that million dollar photo shoot. Petrice, a blonde, and a sister, and religios, strong convictions, with the just the right amount of bitchiness could have been the perfect second-hetero-female companion to even the numbers of availabile choices AND serve as an interesting connector between her end in DA: II and the start of Inquistion.
I mean, she was about to start an inquisition of her own in Kirkwall...and she's pretty much laid off by her Grand Cleric so she's in need of a job that involves religion and politics...and she's blonde. ^_^
- Something tells me you like blondes. I know, I know, it's incredible that I figured that out. I'm psychic. 71.218.226.81 (talk) 15:11, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
No. Excellent points, but just no. 
18:38, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
You know who else would make a good romance companion: Vaughn. That guy is just so damn sexy. Though not quite as sexy as Laryn. She has great boobs. Silver Warden (talk) 18:54, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
- What about Arl Howe? He IS voiced by the greatness that is Tim Curry. No sarcasm on the Tim Curry part, I must add. That man's voice could turn the straightest man gay. And to be fair, I know some Japanese businessmen who would pay good money to hang out with Laryn. They do love those tentacles. --TheFereldenMagister (talk) 19:28, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
No. She's far too arrogant and hate-filled. She's more arrogant than Vivienne in my opinion, or at least far more open about it. Also, her thing was the Qunari, not the mages or templars. When the Arishok died/left Kirkwall, her campaign was pretty much rendered moot. If she had become Divine, she'd probably try and start a New New Exalted March on them, and with how weakened southern Thedas is by the Mage-Templar War, the War of the Lions, and the War Against the Elder One, she'd just be handing much of it over to the Qun. Finally, why try and make sympathetic one of the few things the incredibly fractured DA fanbase universally agrees on. She's not a Loghain, she's an Arl Howe. --TheFereldenMagister (talk) 19:24, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
No. Just no. You do realize that she is pretty much universally hated and thus people let her get Sera'd and take an arrow in the face? Plus nobody would want her magically brought back to life like Anders and Leliana could potentially be. 97.117.168.176 (talk) 21:45, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
Hi there psychic contributor ;-P I like blondes? Yeh don't say.... :P
But seriously, I think it'd be awesome. And honestly I liked Howe from the beginning--even though I played as a Human Noble first. His voice is just too...hillariously evil. I mean--c'mon. He's cliche. And while it's not lore-friendly or possible like Sister Petrice the Second Coming, it's almost equally attractive.
Plus I just happen to have a thing for the unliked characters of Dragon Age (except Vaughn. He may be sexy but no. Just no. i don't care if he satisfies my priviously unknown female elf rape fantasies. It's just...no. No. No. No.)
Besides, if Sera tried to shoot her (assuming Petrice magically joined the Inquisition for the Inquisitor's good looks and dictator swag) I'd blow her up :P Sera's funny and all but...Yeah. Team Petrice FTW! :-D
As for arrogence...in games , just as in real life, arrogance kinda bumps off me like rubber on glue. I don't know why but it's something I never really cared for one way or the other. That being said Sister Petrice is kinda...well, you know...when she's acting all high and mighty. I guess I should see a the rapist lol.
But...Yeah. If PS3's could be modded and Petrices could be added, I'd definitely download her into my game. Just imagine her tarot cards. --Alois Val (talk) 23:24, June 15, 2015 (UTC)Alois
- I was being sarcastic, Alois. I thought I made that clear by adding the line about Laryn. Vaughn is more disgusting on the inside than she is on the outside. As for Petrice...you do realize that it is possible to find someone physically attractive even if they are morally repellent? But that does not mean the character should be thought of as anything other than a villain. It's easy to hate Cory with that skin-cancer face of his. His speech and actions really don't need to do much because his appearance alone makes him a monster. Petrice is a monster despite her looks. That takes good dialogue and writing to pull off. She's a more successful character because of her attractiveness. But that doesn't mean she deserves anything more than scorn. And an arrow to the head. Silver Warden (talk) 00:56, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
Its funny that you say Howe is cliche and hilariously evil considering he's actually one of Tim Curry's more... subdued performances. You want an over-the-top, cliche, hilariously evil performance from the Curry, check out Ferngully. Sure, the rest of the movie is sh*t, but oh god, that villain song. He sounds like he's having an orgasm on every word, I'm not even kidding. Look up 'Toxic Love' on YouTube. Or Curry's most well-known performance, Dr. Frank-N-Furter in Rocky Horror Picture Show. That's right, Mr. 'I'm Just a Sweet Transvestite' is indeed the same man as Arl 'Kill my best friend and family and torture anyone who opposes me' Howe. --TheFereldenMagister (talk) 00:49, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
@Silver Warden: I figured you were even without Laryn :P Hence why I put that line about "previously unknown fantasies" (hope I didn't go too far with it though). But yeah, she was written well but not that well. IMO, the best characters are the ones you're not really certain of morally. It's easy to hate her because she's taking the beligerant racist stance (of course the Qunari there weren't exactly nice campers, they didn't do enough to justify the player's hate meanwhile Petrice gave the player only reasons to hate her). I'd say she was written well to be that hate-able antagonist but not well enough to have an appealing side. Most players probably feel that she's a bigot while some minority of players might be able to rationalize her behavior as something more. Honestly I'm not one of them, if I hadn't played it a hundred times I'd probably take the awesome Qunari side and be like "F U B***! Dat's wot u geht for killin' dah Viscount's son and dissin meh!". It's only because I'm currently apathetic to the scenario that I;m like "hm...I wonder...". Although only half-serious, she would have been a believable Loghain if the writers gave players a reason to see the Qunari as anything other than badass or otherwise "not the bad guy". (It's not until they start rampaging the city that players have a reason to see them in a poor light--or if you watched the intro movie and remembered it when you first met him).
@Ferelden Magister (too bad you can't actually be one in-game. I've played mage half my hours in Dragon Age, I think it's time to go Imperial -_- ): Never saw any of that but lol. A sweet tranny is also Arl Howe? Lol. I'd have liked to see Arl Howe as a tranny in-game :P
I liked his voice. Too funny to hate and too obvious to feel betrayed. Like Petrice I think the writers may have wasted a potential "what-if?" scenario or alternate ending, as the only way a first time player might feel genuienly sympathetic for him is by playing Awakening first (like I did accidentally) and listen to Nathaniel talk about Daddy, read some codex entries, then make up a story and silhouette about him. Once that's done you got a grey Howe.--Alois Val (talk) 01:45, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
- Petrice isn't supposed to morally ambiguous. She's supposed to be a villain, period. Sometimes the bad guys really are just bad. If everyone in a series is morally grey than being morally grey loses it's meaning. There need to be a few people at each extreme to provide contrast for the more realistic characters.
- DA 2 gave us plenty of reasons to hate the Qunari. The Arishok's a prick, their treatment of mages is abhorrent, and they themselves are far more racist, xenophobic, and bigoted than Petrice. But her reason for hating the Qunari (they're not Andrastian) is a poor one at best. More importantly, she betrays Hawke twice (although the second time we expected it) and then murders an innocent person in an attempt to start a needless war.
- Hating the Qun is not a bad thing - in fact it is the most appropriate emotional response if you consider what the Qun really tries to do. It should be hated for being a vile philosophy that sacrifices individuality in the name of efficiency. It should not be hated because it isn't a given character's religion. And hating the Qunari themselves (the race) is unjustified. Compare Petrice's view of the Qun with Solas's. Solas has nothing but contempt for the Qun, but he has that contempt for the proper reasons, and he does not go around killing innocents because of it. Silver Warden (talk) 06:27, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
I know Sister Petrice was/is meant to be one-sided but I figured if she were more colorful...well, if everyone is DA was morally ambiguous or complex I guess it would dull the effect. But Petrice is pretty important plot-wise, so for her to be morally ambiguous or at least sympathize-able. As far as I can recall, she hated the Qunari not for being Qunari or unMaker-ly, but for their quasi-religious philosophy most of all. She may have been very overbearing about it but I can't recall her hating them for their race. That being said, I can see how her preaching negatively would inspire racism. How can a normal dude on the streets beating poverty tell the difference between the Qun and the Qunari?
Still, this gives me another idea involving the Emperor and the Empress. I'm gonna make a post on that ;-)
As for the Qunari...I guess they are pretty communistic, I just felt that the story kinda makes you empathize more with them than the society of Kirkwall itself or the Chantry. Up until the rampage the Arishok's basically the stoic imperial badass and Fenris tells a lot up til then about how the Qunari saved him and blah blah blah. However, Sister Petrice did first call you on to escort a Qunari Mage to safety...so that right there is solid proof of the Qun's darkside. Although Petrice stabbed me twice in the back, the first time's understandable while the second is predictable. Much like with the Queen's backstabbing--she kinda had too either way. Although with the Queen it's easier to forgive (I imagine) due to the fact she's in a dangerous situation the whole way through the Arl of Denerim's estate and is practically a caged eagle once she's in the Arl of Redcliff's.
- Petrice calls Ketojan a creature, and I think she refers to the Qunari in general as beasts...so yeah, racism right there. She refers to them as heretics and says that the Qunari presence in Kirkwall is a challenge to the faith. She tells Hawke that she will "...never look for help outside the faithful again. The stakes - eternity - are just too high." She is motivated by religious fervor, nothing else.
- This is off topic, but since you brought it up, Anora only betrays the Warden twice if he/she doesn't agree to support her in the Landsmeet. If you recruit Loghain, he will say that he would never hurt Anora and she was never in any danger, so the whole mess at Howe's estate may have simply been Anora trying to switch teams. Although Howe might have actually planned to kill her and blame it on the Warden somehow, who knows. Silver Warden (talk) 19:11, June 16, 2015 (UTC)