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This is a theory I've been thinking on for a few days. We now know that Solas is the one who created the veil in order to imprison the other elven "gods" in the fade after they murdered Mythal. From his description, they were in fact phenomenally powerful mages who had great, yet unknown magical powers and knowledge. Could it be that after they were imprisoned, they took the golden city as their new base of power and that they were the ones who actually corrupted it? Corypheus said, in both DA2 and DAI that the city was already black when he and the other six mages entered it. So, it can be understood that it was already corrupted, and who, aside of the Evanuris, had the power to do so?. Now, could it be, that the Evanuris saw in the seven mages a chance to punish the world and thus twisted the humans into the first Darkspawn? Could it be, that in them, they saw a perfect opportunity to cause great chaos in the mortal world?. Chaos, that would eventually cause the weakening of the veil and even its' complete destruction? The blights weakened the veil. We saw it in DAO. The fifth blight, which was caused by the Architect who we now know is one of the seven mages who entered the black city, caused a chain reaction that caused the mage-templar war, which weakened the veil further, and the release of Corypheus who tore it apart. That, I believe, is the connecting thread of the three DA games. I think that DA4 will focus on Tervinter and the Evanuris. I think that Solas is playing into their hands in wanting to destroy the veil. He was asleep for millennia, they were probably awake all this time, in the heart of the elven power source(the fade), still immortal and powerful and most probably growing more powerful due to being in the fade. I think trickster is the one being tricked this time, and that Flemeth-Mythal would eventually get revenge on them all.

After the release of Tresspaser, I came to the same conclusion of the Evanuris was the responsibles of the creation of the Darkspawn. The World of Thedas and the games establishes that the responsibles of the idea of Corypheus and his followers to enter in the Black City was the Old Gods, but I think it was the Evanuris with the shape of the Old Gods the ones who tricked the 7 magisters to attrack them to the Black City with a promise and after that, transforms them into darkspawns. And I think that big ancestral war Solas mentions was against the Old Gods and the creation of the darkspawn is a way to kill all the Old Gods before the Evanuris's return and that, with blaming all mages for release the darkspawn upon the world; destroy any potencial enemy. --Virrac (talk) 16:21, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
Red lyrium is the source of the taint, and red lyrium is older than the Seven's trip to the Golden/Black City. It may even be older than the Evanuris themselves, since one tale about Andruil mentions her using something that sounds suspiciously like red lyrium.
However, it is entirely possible that rest of the Evanuris are in the Black City and that they were the ones who tricked Cory & co. into going there. Perhaps the city being seen as "golden" up until that point was merely an illusion, which was dispelled once the Seven entered the city. I think the Evanuris might have lured them there in an attempt to get free, but it is seems unlikely that they would mastermind this great plan to weaken the veil in order free themselves. I think it's more likely that they wanted Cory & co. to free them right then, but something happened and they became darkspawn.
The real question is why was the city tainted in the first place. It's unlikely that the Evanuris would taint it themselves. Perhaps the creation of the veil did something to Arlathan, causing it to get trapped on the other side of the veil and unleashing red lyrium that was being used there, tainting the entire place. Or maybe the Black City is the collective dream of the Evanuris, who are themselves tainted somehow. Or it could have something to do with a corrupted titan. Or some combination of those theories, or something else entirely. We know for a fact that the Evanuris are trapped in the fade, and it is a good bet that the Black City is somehow connected to them and/or Arlathan, but anything else is merely conjecture at this point. Silver Warden (talk) 03:17, March 7, 2017 (UTC)
The DAI's codex about Andruil talks about a somekind of plague and Andruil release that plague upon her lands after she return from the Void and make her insane and forgot herself. The Andruil's symptoms are similars to the effects of the Taint in ghouls and that plague reminds me to the effects of years of Blight in a land. --Virrac (talk) 07:10, March 7, 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I was talking about. I think it even mentions her making weapons out of material she got from the void. Sound familiar? Silver Warden (talk) 23:11, March 7, 2017 (UTC)
Then the void is the origin of the taint, but since the void is only hinted at in the series so far there is no way to be sure. The way I look at it the taint seems to be the opposite of magic in the Dragon Age universe. Magic seems to embody creation and life, while the taint embodies destruction and consumes/twists life. The Void may be like The Fade, in that it is a realm with it's own forces and is cut off from the world by something similar to The Veil.
As for The Black City and The Evanuris, is it possible that The Black City was in fact created by The Evanuris or the elves? The elves created extra-dimensional libraries and roads, so we know they could do some seemingly impossible things. My theory is that The Black City may be the remains of a tainted Titan that The Evanuris isolated in The Fade in order to stop the spread of red Lyrium/The Taint. (Remember that there was a 0.014% of removing it from Emprise du Lion) The elves/Evanuris could have used it as a quarantine area for all tainted things. Nothing could get out or get in without some special means like immense magical power or certain knowledge like with the Eluvians. Solas likely stranded The Evanuris on the tainted Titan, locking the way as he did so and created The Veil to prevent anyone with enough magical power from releasing them. The Evanuris would be tormented/driven mad forever by the taint/red lyrium and perhaps over time they remade the Titans body into a city out of hubris or a desire to rule something. This would explain why Solas needed to create The Veil, why The Black City is inaccessible by normal means, why The Evanuris are facing "an eternity of torment" for killing Mythal, and why there is no tainted Titan seen or mentioned.(All that red lyrium in the Primeval Thaig would indicate that at least one Titan was infected/exposed to the taint at some point in history.) The Magisters Sidereal could have been manipulated to create enough magical power to give The Evanuris a way out, but in the end failed.--DAFan91 (talk) 00:19, March 8, 2017 (UTC)
Solas said he made the Veil specifically to trap the Evanuris, he did not make it to keep people out of the Black City. My guess is that the Black City is the remains of Arlathan, which was once like the Shattered Library, in that it was made of both material objects and the fade. When the Veil was created, the city got stuck in the fade. Then something happened to taint it, either as a consequence of being shifted into the fade or for some other reason. Silver Warden (talk) 19:37, March 8, 2017 (UTC)
Why does The Veil keep The Evanuris trapped? Throughout the Dragon Age series demons/spirits have made their way to the physical world with less effort and considering how powerful The Evanuris likely are, making their way back to the physical world wouldn't be that hard to accomplish. There has to be another obstacle in place that keeps The Evanuris from returning. You are right in that Solas mentions that he created The Veil to trap The Evanuris, but he never went into detail on how The Veil accomplishes that. He also doesn't explain how banishing The Evanuris is "an eternity of torment." The Fade isn't exactly the nicest place, but from we've seen it isn't always a nightmarish relm. The Black City is isolated and it can't be accessed easily, nothing can get out normally. This sounds more like a prison to me and prisoners have a hard time getting out, but it might have been easier to get in from the physical world before The Veil. My thought is that Solas needed to weaken the magic of the world so that no one would be powerful enough to free The Evanuris or that he may have isolated The Black City from the rest of The Fade somehow and The Veil prevents that from being undone. Tearing down The Veil may give some the power to enter The Black City or it may bring The Black City out of it's isolated state and allow The Evanuris to escape. I don't think The Black City is Arlathan, since the city continued on until The Imperium destroyed it in the physical world. This was after The Veil was created and the power to bring a city into The Fade wouldn't likely be possible with The Veil weakening magic. All we do know from what Solas told us is that The Veil is needed to keep The Evanuris trapped, but what else may be involved is unknown at this point.--DAFan91 (talk) 21:40, March 8, 2017 (UTC)
The Imperium didn't destroy the Elvhenan, they preyed upon its ruins. The previously established history is incorrect, the elves went into a civil war, that destroyed their empire. This probably happened just before or immediately after Solas made the Veil. Solas wasn't alone in his rebellion, he was leading a group of rebel elves, and the creation of the Veil was meant to protect them from the Evanuris in addition to punishing them. I don't know where you're getting this "eternity of torment" from, but if it's Dalish lore than that is inaccurate, we have to take what Solas says (an eye witness to the event) over the Dalish half-truths uncovered from bits and pieces of ancient artifacts or texts who original purpose and meaning is mostly forgotten. Silver Warden (talk) 00:06, March 9, 2017 (UTC)
I never said The Imperium destroyed Elvhenan (the elven empire), I said they destroyed Arlathan (Elvhenan's political, economic and cultural center) which may have survived (if barely) into the time of the ancient Tevinter Imperium. Likely what remained of the city was a shadow of what it once was given the destruction The Veil and the civil wars caused to the city's infrastructure. Abelas only mentioned that the elven empire fell to infighting that must have happened over time, leaving them severely weakened by the time Tevinter made its move. Tevinter didn't fight the full might of Elvhenan, they conquered/enslaved a dispersed and beaten people "The 'war' of carrion feasting on a corpse" that Abelas mentioned. This does not mean that the Imperium didn't destroy Arlathan itself. The history of Thedas has only been made more complicated, elements of both versions may in fact be true, we have no way of knowing for certain. As for my quote on "an eternity of torment," watch this videolink ( particularly the part focusing on "How did the gods go too far?" Solas also mentions that he created The Veil particularly to prevent The Evanuris from destroying the world. I'm making my theory on what the PCs see and what Solas said in the game, but given how cryptic he is the exact details of his past actions can only be inferred.--DAFan91 (talk) 01:32, March 9, 2017 (UTC)
The video you linked implies that the war Solas started was what destroyed Elvhenan, along with making the Veil. Solas actually calls it a war in that video, and there's no reason to think that this isn't the war Abelas spoke of. There's also no reason to think Arlathan survived when the rest of Elvhenan did not. The center of their empire would be unlikely to outlast more remote areas. During a civil war, cities are hit worse than rural areas.
I don't know why you're assuming Arlathan was 100% physical, when in the very video you linked Solas explicitly states that there were many places like the Shattered Library. Why would Arlathan, the great capital of their empire, not be like those places? The only way it could survive the creation of the Veil intact would be if it were entirely material, which seems extremely unlikely. And if it was destroyed by the creation of the Veil, the Imperium obviously couldn't have done much of anything to it. At best they would have found some old ruins, though my guess is that the myth of Arlathan sinking into the ground came about to explain its total disappearance (as opposed to leaving ruins).
I also don't get why you think the Black City isn't a city. It is. Cory & crew went there, and while they found nothing but blighted wreckage, they clearly saw a city. Where or not it's Arlathan is unclear - though odds are that it is; fans have been guessing that since Origins, and what Solas says in the video you linked lends more evidence to this theory than anything we've received before. But it is just a theory, the Black City might not be Arlathan. But it IS a city, that much is certain. Silver Warden (talk) 09:01, March 9, 2017 (UTC)
I) The "rebellion" that Solas mentioned was before The Veil and ended with its creation. Magic that the elves relied on was diminished and the they warred amongst themselves over time. Humans of Tevinter only came later and conquered what was left of the elves in their weakened state. Abelas implies this is "the war of carrion" because he only makes this quote when Dorian mentions the Imperium fighting the elves.
II) YOU don't know that Arlathan didn't survive or that it was like the Shattered Library. Yes, the elves made many marvels out of the physical world and the Fade, but not everything they built was like the Shattered Library. (Some cities in the US are powered by hydroelectric dams, but not all cites are powered by dams) The Temple of Mythal proves this which shows that certain parts of Elvhenan were physical and could have endured until the arrival of the Imperium. By your logic the "original" temple crumbled/disappeared with the Veil in place and the sentinel elves rebuilt the temple, complete with artwork, in its exact place. The Imperium lied about fighting a rival empire of elves (they were weakened and dispersed), but that doesn't mean they lied about everything they did in their conflict. Your implying that "they lied about one thing" then that translates to "they lied about everything." Nothing proves that Arlathan was for certain destroyed the way the Imperium describes it, but nothing proves that the city is the way you describe it. (You are assuming it was because Solas mentioned "marvels" without any specifics)
III) DID YOU EVEN READ MY THEORY AT ALL. If not I will detail it for you-
1. I believe the Black City was "originally" a tainted Titan. (Explaining the red lyrium in the Primeval Thaig in Dragon Age II and why there is no tainted Titan roaming Thedas)
2. I believe that they sent the tainted Titan to the Fade to isolated/stop the red lyrium growth and create a quarantine structure for similar tainted things, separating it from the rest of the Fade upon completion. (Remember that in the game removing the red lyrium in Emprise du Lion by normal means had a 0.014% chance at success. The Evanuris/elves needed to use more drastic means.)
3. I believe Solas used this tainted Titan as the place to banish the Evanuris with no escape without some special means or a lot of power. (The Evanuris would face "an eternity of torment" that Solas describes)
4. Solas created the Veil to weaken the magic of the world so that no one would be powerful enough to release the Evanuris and to further isolate them. (The Evanuris likely still had many followers who would have tried to free them, but with Elvhenan in shambles they likely could not make an organized attempt to free them)
5. The Evanuris in their isolation remade the tainted Titan's body into a CITY either out of hubris or a desire to rule something. The city would still be "like" a prison with no way to escape. (Mythal can kill a Titan, so the Evanuris together could easily remake it into a city)
6. The Evanuris somehow could have tricked the Magister Sidereal into creating enough magical energy to enter the Black City and escape, but something went wrong.
7. This theory may also explain why Corypheus mentioned seeing a throne and why the Black City is thought to offer such power. The potential of tapping a vast source of raw red lyrium and perhaps the power of the trapped Evanuris would offer an astronomical amount of power, but would likely leave one tainted. The Magister Sidereal may have have become tainted trying to harness such power when they first entered. (Corypheus does mention discovering and taking in the "darkness" and this may explain why he did that.)
IV) Fan speculation does not mean that the Black City is Arlathan unless one of those fans is a writer for Dragon Age. Linking a lost city to a city we see in the Fade is an assumption. There has been no definitive reference that says the Black City is connected to Arlathan or that the Black City was a tainted Titan remade into a city. To dismiss one or the other simply because others made a similar guess is just being biased. I'm justifying my theory based on what we have seen and heard thus far, but I may be wrong. Until you can reference someone in game specifically mentioning Arlathan and the Black City being linked instead of referencing Solas ambiguously mentioning "countless other marvels," both my theory and yours are on even ground.--DAFan91 (talk) 03:06, March 10, 2017 (UTC)
I) I agree with the gist of this, although I think you are interpreting Abelas's words incorrectly. The Tevinters encountered the elves thousands of years after the creation of the Veil. It wasn't like they showed up a few decades later. By the time that they got there, not only was the war long over, but elven society had atrophied to the point where it was essentially gone. By calling it a "war of the carrion" he was saying there was no war at all. Elven society was dead, and the early Tevinters were just scavengers. Thus, they did not destroy anything - scavengers do not kill, they eat what is already dead. Abelas was saying the elves destroyed their own society, not that Tevinter took advantage of their weakened state.
II) First of all I never said I knew anything about Arlathan's fate for certain. I just think the Tevinter/Dalish tale of it being sunken into the earth is incredibly unlikely, given what we now know about Teventier's relationship with Elvhenan. And yes, if someone lies once there is reason to doubt the truth of anything else they say. That's just basic common sense. However, I actually don't think the Tevinters had some grand conspiracy to distort the truth about what happened to Elvhenan and Arlathan. Some mages may have lied about where they got their power, or how they got a specific artifact, and over time history came to revere them, and thus their words, and since anyone who knew the truth was long dead (or "asleep" or in hiding), the Tevinters truly believed their version of events was correct. But, the very fact that they were wrong sheds doubt on the entire course of events. Also, Solas and Abelas were eye witnesses, and their accounts differ from Tevinter history. First hand accounts take precedence over third hand accounts.
Your comparison to a city powered by a dam vs and Arlathan is unfair. I am not talking about its power source, I am talking about its nature. It's more like a modern city's use of electricity. Outside of Amish communities and a few isolated tribes in South America, Africa, and Australia, there are zero places that do not use electricity. That is probably what it was like for the elves. Imagine a massive EMP being detonated in the atmosphere, causing every electric device to shut down permanently. (And assume for the sake of argument that that's what affect detonating an EMP in the atmosphere would have, which it may or may not.) All of society would be instantly crippled. Cars and trains would crash. Planes would fall out of the sky. Elevators would no longer work. Many heating and cooling systems would shut down. Pace makers would stop working. And if you've ever been in a power outage, you know what would happen to toliets and refrigerators. Magic wasn't just a cool trick for the elves, and fade/material constructs weren't just oddities or marvels. They were how they built their society. After all, if creating the Veil did nothing other than dampen the elves magic and rob them of their immortality, they'd still be able to maintain their society. The Veil caused their society to crash, both figuratively and in some cases literally.
The Temple of Mythal is in ruins, it's just much less ruined the the rest of Elvhenan. That's because it was on the outskirts of their empire, whereas Arlathan was at the center. It's ridiculous to think that the pinnacle of their civilization would not even equal a friggin library. That Arlathan was probably partially made out of the fade may have been the least of its extraordinary qualities.
However, you are technically right that I don't know 100% for certain. It's just an educated guess. But it's a damn good one. And it certainty makes a hell of a lot more sense than believing that the Tevinters sunk Arlathan into the ground. It's borderline naive to believe that after what Abelas and Solas have told us about the fate of the elves.
III 1-3, 5) A possibility, although the Arlathan-Black City theory is superior, for reasons I will explain below.
III 4) Essentially yes, Solas said he made the Veil to stop the Evanuris.
III 6) I agree.
III 7) The motives for Cory & crew's trip to the Black City are self-evident, as are the results. Regardless of what drew them there or why, they went there in search of power and came back tainted.
IV) I mentioned other fans positing the Arlathan-Black City theory for two reasons: one, to point out that it is not mine alone, and two, because if multiple people come the same independent conclusion it lends weight to that conclusion. Now, nowhere did I ever saw that I knew the fate of Arlathan 100% for certain, nor did I claim I knew the nature of the Black City. I explicitly said it was just a theory. And while I will grant that your theory is possible and that it makes just as much sense as the Arlathan-Black City theory, it is still an inferior theory. Why? Occam's razor. Your titan corpse theory requires many more assumptions than the theory that the Black City is Arlathan. In fact, the Arlathan-Black City theory only requires one assumption (that they are the same). Yours however, assumes that: (1) that there was a tainted titan (which there probably was but we don't know that for sure); (2) That the Evanuris captured said titan and sent it to the fade; (3) That Solas sent the Evanuris to a prison, which he never explicitly stated he did (he said he trapped them, not imprisoned them, there's a difference); and (4) That the Evanuris built a city out of the remains of the titan. Now, I'm not saying that your theory doesn't make sense or that it's impossible, only that it's inferior because it requires four assumptions as apposed to one. Silver Warden (talk) 02:58, March 11, 2017 (UTC)
You assume that Arlathan was utilizing red lyrium. You assume the Black City is Arlathan. You assume the taint would blacken the no living elements of Arlathan. You assume that everything that the elves built was like the Shattered Library.(nothing like the Temple of Mythal) You assume you know how every settlement in Elvenhan was built.(When a TEMPLE TO ONE OF THEIR GODS shows important structures may not have been like the Shattered Library. You assume that the elves couldn't have made Arlathan partially functional again as a city until Tevinter arrived. (Like we could do after an EMP) You assume that the Imperium lied about everything they did to the elves and/or there is no truth to elements of their history. You assume that Abelas and Solas saw/knew everything that occurred after the Veil was formed. (Abelas was guarding an isolated temple and Solas whereabouts after creating the Veil are undetermined) You assume that others making a similar guess without evidence makes it more likely.(Remember the majority of people who believed the Earth was the center of the universe without evidence? Was that correct by virtue of majority opinion?) We are both assuming a great deal. Honestly, I am sick and tired of this back and forth on theories that neither of us can prove with any credible evidence. I wanted to express a theory and let it be considered equally with the one the author and others posted. You want to tear that theory down. FINE. You want to make it a numbers game based on who has more assumptions. FINE. If you pathetically need your theory to be considered above others, if it so important to you that you need to make labels of "superior" or "inferior," instead of letting my theory stand. FINE. Baby gets it's bottle. I could not care less about your opinion at this point. Anything you say after this post you say to yourself.
To the original author of this forum (if your still reading the responses) thanks for sharing your thoughts. Sorry things got out of hand and please post again if you feel so inclined.--DAFan91 (talk) 07:29, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

WOW, someone got triggered! What was it that I wrote that got him so worked up? The words superior and inferior? Simpler theories are always considered over more complex ones. I can't believe he's accusing me of being immature, when he performs the internet equivalent of storming off in a tantrum after someone disagreed with him. I won't even go into how most of what he said in the above post is just flat-out wrong. So I'll pull a pass-aggressive douche move and appeal to "other" people reading this, just as he did: for some unfathomable reason, DAFan91 took a civilized discussion and made it personal. I'd be very careful about talking to him about anything, lest you hurt his poor, unreasonably hyper-sensitive pride. Silver Warden (talk) 23:07, March 11, 2017 (UTC)