I was thinking that thee were some thing things in DAO and DAA that always sat badly with me but I always chose those courses of action because they were the politically the correct things to do.
Off the top of my head I can think of when you kill Arl Howe and you find Vaughn Urien (think that's right spelling) in his cell.I always released him because if you gain power later on its always good to have the Arl of Denerim on your side.
Another far more important one is that because I take the throne by marrying Anora which is another thing I Always do Alistair must die in my play through which is fairly obvious but I conscript Loghain into the Wardens as well for the simple reason that if i kill him there is no guarantee at all that the forces under Loghain will stop fighting the Bannorns force and submit to the overlordship of King Aedan and Queen Anora. Alistair by contrast commands no men has no command experience,no one has actually heard of him and he is very childish and indecisive.
Every Warden in Orzammar must choose between Bhelen and Harrowmont. When any of them wins, his opponent and his supporters die. I was sad I couldn't make everyone happy but to kill one of the sides. In Landsmeet case I choosed marriage between Anora and Alistair (my Warden was Dalish) I think its the solution that makes everyone happy for now. Warden Commander was also forced to choose between Amarantine and Vigil's keep. In this case if I couldn't save everyone, then I'll try to make damages minimal. - unsigned
There is no excuse for letting Vaughan Urien/Kendalls live. Killing that rapist makes no significant difference in the Landsmeet. On a morality note, any ruler who would allow people like him to hold power doesn't deserve to be ruler. You can still easily get the near unanimous support (the only exception being Bann Ceorlic, who will always side with Loghain over you) of the Landsmeet without that repulsive piss-ant. As for Alistair, instead of killing him you could let him stay a Warden or exile him. Personally I gotta wonder about what kind of person you are if you would rather kill Alistair than Vaughan. Definitely no king I'd willingly follow. --Vampire Damian (talk) 11:37, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with your opinion with Vaughan, but keep in mind that before democracy nobles and rulers came into power by Divine Right. (If you don't like the ruler than find someone who's better than the Crows, say City Elf Origin).--KCMueller (talk) 15:52, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
In the Orzammar quest, the only time I choose Bhelen is when I chose the dwarven commoner origin (for my sister's sake). For Vaughan, I mostly ignore him but sometimes I bargain for the key and then kill him. Would having Alistair marry Anora be considered a necessary evil? I am curious in what the consequences will be in accepting Morrigan's ritual. In DA:A; the only thing I can think of that's a grey line (other than mercy killing) is siding with the Architect.--KCMueller (talk) 15:52, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
I always side with the Architect. The idea of the Darkspawn having free will raises too many interesting possibilities to bring about change and potentially the end of The Chantry, which I consider the greatest evil on Thedas. There's always that possibility though of the Darkspawn forming their own religion...220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:36, September 14, 2012 (UTC)Konous
In Orzammar, I always side with Bhelen -- even with my Dwarf Noble. (Though my DN supported Harrowmont and let Bhelen squrim until suddenly reversing at the very end.) Bhelen is an evil, backstabbing SOB on a personal level, but he's better for Orzammar than Harrowmont would be. As a lesser bad-but-necessary decision, my DN also arranged a political marriage between Alistair and Anora, even though he hated setting up his buddy Alistair with such a cold, politically-motivated harpy, because it seemed like the best way to ensure stability and continuity of rule in Ferelden. (My female human mage, by contrast, let Anora rule alone -- she wasn't going to share her lover, especially not with that ice queen!) Diyartifact (talk) 21:08, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
- My philosophy is that the people of any nation get exactly the leadership they deserve. That may sound cynical, but I apply it to both governments here on Earth and in the various fantasy lands I enter. If they're incompetent enough to not only let a dictator seize power but willfully roll over and obey when he does, they deserve him, same as if they're so self-focused that they'll keep re-electing the same incompetent morons in the vain hope of some personal profit regardless of the expense to others. On the other hand, if they fight against humanity's innate selfishness (and the "leaders" that represent it all), they deserve better, and if they prop up a system that enables mutual survival, they'll produce good leaders who will respect life, liberty, and equal opportunity. In Thedas, the dwarven culture is mired in corruption, backstabbing, and entitlement, and the caste system is largely to blame for that. Bhelen is not just the only person who has the intelligence and will to navigate the political Shrapnel Traps and bring real change to Orzammar, he's the only king a culture like Orzammar deserves, and while I can barely stomach what he does, that's why I pick him every time. Naturally if you're just passing through and can deny someone like Bhelen a nigh-invincible army of steel giants, you should. RShepard227 (talk)
The Orzammer decision was certainly a difficult one, thats what made it so interesting! I don't disgard the caste system like many because it clashes with my modern idea of 'fair play' rather I see it as a system with strengths and weaknesses like any other so this doesn't lead me toward either choice. The problem for me is that Harrowmont and Bhelen both have such extreme policies. Bhelen betrays the very fundamentals of Dwarven culture and destroys it's entire social structure just to gain a few runied thaigs while Harrowmont is so rigid in adhering to the old ways that he suffocates Orzammer and dooms it to a slow decline. I usually end up choosing Harrowmount and relying on the Anvil to save Orzammer because it creates the most interesting 'future Orzammer' imo but both solutions are an example of selecting a bad choice with good intentions.--Kroem (talk) 18:38, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
RShepard227: I agree with your philosophy but I don't see how that leads you to pick Bhelen every time. There's good and bad things about both of them, but I usually prefer Harrowmont. For me, it depends on my character and they're personality. For example, if I have a dwarf noble who had a son with the casteless concubine, I'll pick Harrowmont. Bhelen would probably kill the kid first chance he got and Harrowmont will need a successor for when he dies. Not to mention Bhelen would gladly kill Harrowmont and hunt down anyone in his house. Age is a factor for me too. Harrowmont is old and will likely die in a few years tops and be replaced by either the dwarf noble's son or someone else. Bhelen however is young and could go on for decades screwing people over. I almost always preserve the anvil though, being mindful not to bring Shale when I want to preserve it. I don't see the dwarven caste system as being that significantly different than the class system of the humans/city elves in Ferelden and the Free Marches (or the humans in some places on Earth). I wanted to save the Dalish elves (with the exception of Zathrian, who I would have sacrifice himself to cure the werewolves) and leave the humans, city elves and dwarves to the darkspawn. They can forget about politics and fight for their lives or they can argue about kings until the Archdemon barbeques them. In the words of Ser Bryant, "I do not care who takes the throne. Only fools fight over who owns a cottage while it burns down around them." Which is probably the smartest thing I ever heard from a templar. I like the idea of the provings though, seems like it would cut back on alot of unnecessary wars. If people solved their bigger disputes in something like a proving/duel and got rid of the Chantry and the Qun, there might just be peace in Thedas. Pretty much the same could be said for our world. Get rid of any religion that attempts to gain political power or has it already (Mostly Christianity, Judaism and Islam) and bring back duels. Without religiously controlled politics, 9/11 probably wouldn't have happened and there would be far less people getting killed for being heathens, blasphemers, apostates, witches, infidels, etc. If it did still happen then we could have watched George W. Bush vs. Osama Bin Laden in a fight to the death over who gets Iraq. --Vampire Damian (talk) 13:38, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
- You've gone too far beyond the topic.-Unsigned Post
I don't have anything that I do every time, since I roleplay my characters. My human mage has different values and mindset than my Dalish Rogue, who has different values than my Dwarven Noble Warrior, who has different values and mindset than my Human Noble Warrior, etc. They tell ME what they want to do, not the other way around.
And to be honest, it's a shame that my "If you were the Hero of Ferelden" thread died, because this really falls under it's aegis. If you want to check it out, search for it, and if you think it's worthy of it, post on it how you would have stopped the blight. Hitokiri Akins (talk) 22:22, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
I guess I am more of a jerk then I thought. I let Urien live. Purely for political reasons. I always imagined my warden asking Zeveran to ice that prick. As far as Anora. I tell her that I will back her bid for the throne. Then when after I get her support I throw her under the bus and side with Alister. I kill Logain, (With much happy in my heart when I do) I help Anora lose 10 pounds above the neck if I had the option. GreyWolf84 (talk) 13:43, September 22, 2012 (UTC)