Yesturday I watched the animated movie Dawn of the seeker. I needed to take 24 hours to let my mind process the movie and all. So I want other people's opinions on the movie. My opinion is this, it's a horrible abomination on the legacy that is DA:O. This movie gets everything wrong. The animation (in my non-anime fans opinion) is bad, the story sucks, the lore is ruined, and overall the movie isn't that good. It left me with so many questions like, why were there so many ogres in one area, I thought they were supossed to be rare, how are they controling the golemns? How can a sword cut through stone so easily? Why didn't Cassandra just tell the other seekers about the jem, the one she just used to tell the high seeker that the knight commander is a traitor? How can some hermit who lives on the side of a cliff be an information broker? Why don't the blood mages ever use magic? Why are there so many blood mages, and how did they capture so many dragons? I thought dragons were supposed to be exstinct, so why was Cassandra's brother a dragon hunter? How is it that mages were able to get in and out of the circle so easily? Mages can turn invisible? Since when? Where did that ogre come from? If the house was on the side of a cliff, how did it get under the house? Why is Cassandra wearing a mini scirt?Dawnofdoom999 (talk) 04:16, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
Mages turn invisible all the time in Dragon Age II. At least, that's what you're supposed to assume, since teleportation is explicitly stated as impossible in the Codex and it takes them a while to reappear when they disappear during combat. So ... that answers one of your questions. --Singewood (talk) 03:34, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
Hehe, that is why I don't plan to watch this movie. It's certain to make brain melt into goo.....the very fact that it shows high dragons being killed (and not only that, being controlled!) by stabbing with daggers to their necks is evidence enough. Diain (talk) 04:40, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
- That does sound a bit unrealistic -- though in-game, a Rogue could quite plausibly kill a high dragon by stabbing it with daggers enough times, so I can't criticize the dragon-slaying too much. The rest, though, sounds pretty bad; I'll probably give it a miss. Diyartifact (talk) 05:05, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
I enjoyed the film, I liked the animation and i find plot quite interesting. Cassandra was an interesting protagonist, because not a typical naive and good girl, she was a tsundere and her agression had reasons and made her more interesting. I don't understand why so many people hate the film, it was good.
To Dawnofdoom999 dragons aren't exiting, Dragon Age was named like this, because dragons returned, Cassandra gave the jewel to the High Seeker; because she trusted only him and other seekers had orders and they kill and then ask questions; the information broker lived as a hermit to hide himself from the world, because he had many enemies and needed good hideout, only few of his loyal clients knew about his hideout; In Haven village and bone pit were many dragons, so who Frenric couldn't capture so many dragons?; Cassy's clan is a clan of dragon hunters, who were needed again, when those creatures reappeared; Frenric didn't teleport or become invisible, he turned into a crow; ogres can always dig tunnels to every house on a cliff.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk)
- Yeah but in DA:O if you play the HN origin Fergus' wife says that dragons aren't around anymore. And while the dragon age may be the age of their return this brings to question how she didn't know about them considering there is a famous group of people out hunting dragons. Again why didn't Cassandra just tell the other seekers about the jewl while they were arresting her? The only reason why they though she was a traitor is because she had a sword with blood on it, and she's well known for having taken their prisoner, then fighting off several of their own. She could have just said "there's a jewl on the high seeker's body that has proof that he's a traitor."(or she could tell them to check the knight commander if he had the jewl) Rather then saying "He did it! He did it!" without any evidence that he did. I would suspect an information broker to be in a city, you know that way he could collect information. Unless it's really easy doing that while in the middle of nowhere. Haven had cultists raising and protecting them, and for bon pit. I really have no idea. Dragons just love that spot. That would still bring into question HOW they managed to capture them. Mages aren't known for their strength. While Frenric never went invisible, that other guy did in the cave scene. An ogre digging on a cliff would be unlikely. Cliffs are made of strong rock, how would it not be heard/felt while digging? Also how were they controling the ogres? The girl came under their control layer in the movie, and if they could control darkspawn the entire time, how come they couldn't control a dragon? Dawnofdoom999 (talk) 08:15, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
I personally didn't like this film. Plot was unpolished, characters uninteresting, Cassandra looks like she's sixteen (it's only two years or so before we meet her in DA2. Cass must have had an aging disease), her voice irritates me and she screams and grunts with every sword swing. Combat is unrealistic, mages are puny and... it's just not Dragon Age. It's a film titled Dragon Age using the world that is named Thedas with names borrowed from DA, but that's it.
- Just be glad their not wearing a binkis, that is far more worse than a miniskirt --Xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 07:54, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
- DA:Redemption and DA:SG had boring plot, story of DotS was far more interesting and unlike SG it solved something. Mages in DA2 were puny, they were so pathetic and ungreateful. I thought DA2 isn't Dragon Age, fashion and architecture were more from Renesaince than from Dark Age. To me Cassandra looks 19-21, 3 years is enough to get uglier, same to voice. If you want to comlain about plot, then complain on DA2, Redemption and SG, because they had boring and unrealistic plots, not DotS. Chars of Redemption were uninteresting and unrealistic, chars from DotS acted more normally to me.
- miniskirts make fight easier form women.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk)
I've been running into clips for this thing all over the Interwebz....and....it's....incomprehensible. Since when do darkspawn control an army of golems? It's like they just picked the strongest monsters from DA lore and stuffed them for Cassandra to fight. Circled by Golems AND Ogres...... And mages fighting off Templars with their staves....what is this...Tthe last Airbender? And in the end....oh the end....what was it...5-6 dragons? She's riding them like she's Spiderman on 'roids. Diain (talk) 11:47, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
Occam's Razor has to be applied here. There are two very simple explanations for Dawn of the Seeker. One. Cassandra has had a stroke and her brain has gone crazy. Or two. Someone has been eating the tainted Deep Mushrooms and they're having a really bad trip. --Madasamadthing (talk) 17:33, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
- All I know is I would need some of those mushrooms if I ever watched this movie. Diain (talk) 17:38, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
- There is a third explanation. After Dragon Age II Cassandra was so impressed with Varric that she charged him with writing her biography. The movie is the first part.--Navarion (talk) 22:25, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
I didn't hate it. I mean, for what it was, which was a vaguely Bioware-sanctioned piece of fanfic. Yes, it was not terribly interesting on its own, and as a DA story it certainly didn't stack up to, say, The Stolen Throne--but DotS wasn't any worse (in a qualitative sense) than Asunder. It kept my attention, the broad strokes of the plot stayed close (enough) to lore that it wasn't entirely inconceivable, and the characters--well, Cassandra and Galyin--were decent. And let's not forget that it's anime, which means its presentation (including the action sequences) needs to be given some leeway. Like it's an interpretation or impression of a DA story, not an actual one. HELO (talk) 22:29, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with this. The simple fact that the movie came from Japan, who has a different style of presentation and art than we do, may have somewhat diluted the DA elements of the film. As an anime fan, I can say it wasn't bad. As a DA fan, I thought it was reasonably on track. Rathian Warrior (talk) 00:02, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
This comment is comment is geared to the unregistered user who is actually DEFENDING this movie. First off, DotS is worse than most of the things you just mentioned simply because it barely makes sense lore wise and barely fits the style of Dragon Age at all. Sure, everything you just mentioned was pretty bad, I will not deny that, but at their core it was at least somewhat faithful to the franchise. Now on to your so called "points' you mentioned. First off, how can you call mages in DA2 puny when the only thing mages do in DotS is stand still and allow the seekers to mow them down as if they were grass? Then you have mages fighting with crude weapons and not even ATTEMPTING to use magic most of the time. Second, just saying that "she can change a lot in a few years" is a VERY weak defense on why Cassandra looks like a prepubescent school girl. Third, miniskirts do not help in combat AT ALL. Seriously, how many warriors have you seen wearing mini skirts other than in anime? That's right, there's not a damn one. Lastly, if you think this movie was ANYTHING like Dragon Age, you either need to question your status as a fan of the franchise or just go back to watching your anime.Aleksandr the Great (talk) 01:05, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Why do you have a problem with someone who doesn't agree with you? Grow up kiddo, your opinion doesn't carry weight and it is unworthy of you to ever think you are doing them a favor by trying to convince them that only you can be right.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk)
Hey, all I'm saying is if this was a debate their arguments would hold little to no water. Not to mention that some of their points are the complete opposite of what the reality is. Aleksandr the Great (talk) 02:27, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
Hey Alek. The guy has the right to his his opinion. I'm not a fan of anime; so there is little need for me to watch the flick. I disliked DA2 because I felt it was too animeish (is that even a word? lol.) So watching a whole DA product made like a anime is beyond what I could stand.DarkDabber (talk) 14:22, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Sure the guy's free to have his opinion, but that doesn't mean Alek is wrong. None of his points seem to be opnion based. All he's saying is this one's worse because it contradicts lore, and he's 'attacking' some of the points the guy was trying to make. Such as mini scirts help women in fights. That's not really an opinion and thus deserves to be broken down. Dawnofdoom999 (talk) 20:09, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
I never said Alek was wrong. I just said the guy is free to state his opinion without worrying about being "attacked" over it. If he said the story was good then that's his opinion. He don't need someone swooping in on his head for it. Honestly I don't even agree with the guys opinion on the subject; but I don't need to be a jerk and tell him about it either. For example if you said you disliked the story of DAO and liked DA2 better It would be impolite if I told you that you needed to "question your self as a fan of the franchise."DarkDabber (talk) 20:57, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
A reminder to everybody to keep it civil. 02:29, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
I really REALLY wish you guys would stop saying things like, "It's anime, so it doesn't have to be realistic/serious." That just makes you look ignorant and provincial. Not all anime is hyper kinetic flying laser punches and shit.
Do yourselves a favor; go to your local Blockbuster or whatever and rent a copy of Jin-Roh. It got pretty wide US distribution, so you shouldn't have any trouble finding it.
DOTS is a bad product because the creators had no respect for the source material and oversight was either lax or nonexistent. Neither of those factors are exclusive to the nationality of its production staff. Son Goharotto (talk) 03:55, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
I never said that being an anime made DoTS exempt from being realistic or serious, so I'd appreciate you working on reading comprehension before calling me ignorant. I simply pointed out that the different style of the movie, because it comes from Japan instead of a western studio, may have caused some of the more DA-ish elements to be lost on the intended audience. Rathian Warrior (talk) 05:58, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
"It comes from Japan" is not a reasonable excuse for why DOTS fails as a Dragon Age product. Ever heard of Record of Lodoss War? It actually has a lot in common with DA, both finding their roots in the D&D system. The 1990 OVA is especially similar to DA's general style and tone. Being a Japanese product doesn't mean it can't be accurate to the source material. 'Missing the point' doesn't restrict itself to nationality. Son Goharotto (talk) 14:14, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
I get what you're saying Goharotto but what Rathian is saying is that it COULD be a factor. For the most part, a Japanese animator and a Western animator are usually going to have different styles. This stems from a multitude of factors, including nationality and culture. A western animator could be more familiar with European fantasy while a Japanese animator could be more familiar with samurais and feudal Japan. Sure, there are plenty of exceptions to this stereotype but it's a stereotype for a reason, it is a very broad generalization. Aleksandr the Great (talk) 15:46, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
As a man who has a holy level of suspension of disbelief when it comes to movies and games. I will still watch this, sure it may contradict lore, but I'd rather have a cool movie than one which glues itself to logic. And this is a universe where weeeeird stuff happens, I struggle to see how minor lore contradictions really sour a movie. --TheRageMage (talk) 21:13, June 7, 2012 (UTC)TheRageMage
- Well aside from the lore problems the movie's story sucks as well. Ok, it doesn't suck really, but it's so standard. You'll be thinking they just reached into the cliche box and pulled out all the steps to making a movie. The acting and direction is also bad, the actors aren't terrible but they don't do anything to make me buy into the story. As for direction, well the camera tends to linger on some shots for too long. As far as action/animation goes if you watched the first 5 minutes on youtube, then that's about it. That really is the best action scene. Also the fighting is one sided, Cassandra is the only one who really ever fights and she's never put into a situation where you think she might actualy be in perril. This is made no better by the fact that she's going up against monsters the size of minivans and taking them out in one shot. Again I'm not anime fan, so it's not my place to tell you how good the animation is, but in my opinion it's not that good. There are some shots that look really good, then others (the scene where Cassandra runs thought some blood) make me want to cringe. There are also some moments that make me wonder. Cassandra is wearing heavy armor in the begining, but she's doing flips in the air. Also later in the movie she's able to run up walls, so yeah not that good. Now in terms of characters themselves there all very one note. None of them have any development, and the romance the movie tries to force is... well... forced. If you do end up liking a character it won't be for their stunning personality (those thighs). Overall this is not a good movie, do us all a favor and watch it on youtube or something. Don't give these people money. Because if this is what they think is passable in terms of a movie, then they don't deserve a profit. Dawnofdoom999 (talk) 03:11, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
Did anyone else have a problem with the mages and how little magic they used, Oh and the whole ogre and golem thing? Plus the easy kills of the dragons, now that made me grind my teeth. All hail Darkside! 184.108.40.206 (talk) 03:37, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
- I did. Makes me wonder if Bioware even aprooved of this. If they did how? How could they do this to DA? Dawnofdoom999 (talk) 07:59, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
The movie was overall good in my opinion. That we did not see some magic in game doesn't mean it does not exist. Those dragons weren't dragons exactly if I caught it right. They've said "drakes" most of time. In game those are pretty small dragons that we see a lot of in random places and fight like mini bosses, there was one high dragon, though but still I did not find that unaceptable, the girl was powerful, fine with me. Also, I remember the place where one can get Reaver speciality in DA:O, there were so many dragons(drakes! and a high dragon) friendly to their cultists and nobody was bothered with that.
I was somehow bothered with the idea of making Seekers all so good and noble, loyal, caring about those good mages and turning templars into bad guys again. The Seekers I remember from DA2 were quite creepy, secretive, cruel to little funny guy Varic and so on, we didn't see that in movie.
On side note, DA2 was better than DA:O for me, Hawke felt much more real than Warden. Preferences.
- Am I the only one who thought this was originally about damage over time spells? Mictlantecuhtli (talk) 05:49, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
Going to watch this tonight. Just wanted to point out two things. Dragons are not that rare in the game, my character has killed quite a few already. And the discussion with Fergus wife and child was about Griffons being extinct not dragons. --220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:20, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
If I can remember Fergus's son asks if there will be any dragons. And his wife says that they're mean and eat people. I can't quite remember the line. But I'm very sure she says that they're dead. even the wiki says that they were hunted to near-exstinction. Dawnofdoom999 (talk) 04:18, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
Finally! Someone else who likes DA2! The ability of Avexis to control dragons is not a lore problem, Rangers can control animals all the time in Origins. Does it ever say that the blood mages are controlling the army of Ogres and Golems? I think not, though admittedly that scene did make little sense. And swords can cut stone and damage stone golems in both of the games, so its not a stretch that they can do the same in DotS. Would you rather have watched her hack at the golem for a minute before it flopped over than what happened in the movie? All in all, a good movie, if not excellent. It does (just barely) do Dragon Age justice.
- If it's not the blood mags controling the Golems/Ogres then why did they randomly attack? How did they get there? Wh WAS controling them? As for the "would you much rather see her hit it for several minutes before it finnaly goes down" no. But what I would like is for them to only include things into their movie if it makes sence. No one said this movie NEEDED golemns/ogres. This movie does nothing justice. It just sucks. 04:18, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
IT is possible I am wrong about Fergus's son talking about griffons not dragons. I am half way into the movie now though and have other issues with the complaints.
Firstly I do not know who brought Anime into this discussion, anyone who was ever seen anime knows that is not the case here, this is reminiscent of live action animation. Popularized a few years back with a couple of great sci-fi flicks.. okay maybe sin city as well but "A Scanner Darkly" is the one that comes to mind, there was another in France black and white, great movie ugh.. can't remember the name. Anywho, that is what the animation is, not anime, but animated actors.
(EDIT: BTW I also do not like the animation, would rather them have used the animation from the game)
As for following the storyline of DA... I am only half into the movie and gotta say this is a GREAT adaption of the video game. First of all the video game itself is not realistic enough to make a movie out of. How are you going to show a warrior hack and slashing at a mage for 30 minutes and make it interesting. Not going to happen. However a warrior stabbing a blood mage and that mage turning into a crow and coming back on the other side of the battlefield allows one to keep the illusion of reality, while still balancing a mages might into a foray.
I do see the point about teleportation, however, that was not shown in the movie. A bright light and them walking away was shown. I would suspect a potion of mass paralysis actually. Considering the legacy needs to be maintained. Them appearing in a completely new scenario would be different however they were fighting in a forest and walked away in a forest. Not teleportation. A stun of paralyze spell is more likely.
It was great reading all your guys opinions on this movie, I am glad I chose to watch it anyway. I am not a fan of anime, so this was a surprise after reading all the anime comments. It is not anime at all. (FYI- Anime is not the same thing as Animation. BIG differnce)
OH BTW.. the Griffons/Dragons thing I will see if I have save, I checked youtube and Oren does talk about Dragons. Does not make sense. They (Dragons) are obviously not extinct since I kill 3 (?) of them during the game? 2-3 more in DLCs
EDIT EDIT: Okay I finished the movie and can see why people do not like it
A) It takes place in Orlais yet not everyone has a french accent B) Mages are total wimps in it, where is the great power that challenges the church? C) The bad guys in the movie are more typical of devout religious followers than the good guys.
animation got awesome in the end, I can see why they did the live action style now. Paid off dividends in the finale. Movie should have been written by a typical "good guy" play through of the game not an evil masquerading as good chantry lover. Neuromancer42 (talk) 08:40, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I've recently watched this movie and I think, in my opinion, that it has garnered far more hate than it is due; but everything seems to do that today. But there are some things I would like to clear up. Spoilers ahead Firstly, in the beginning it is a drake the mages are messing with; not a full dragon. They are using it to take the blood so the head mage can take control of the elven girl's power, dominance over wild animals, a special power that nobody else seems to have, plausible enough, perhaps the drake blood increases her powers even more. Moving on to the 'one-shot' kills on the dragons/drake; she appears to stab very important spots, like neck arteries and right on the main wing vein, they need those. Next, Cassandra's miniskirt, I fail to see why this is such a big deal; for one part her equipment seems more like casual-wear armor and not serious stuff, and it's similar to the light armor in Origins; those had skirts too. Now, the 'information broker', it says in the movie that he's half mad and 'hears' things, but nobody knows how; that's not a very new thing. He mysteriously knows things that he shouldn't know, so people seek him out to get info. Now here's the thing; I could individually defend everything anyone ever mentions about this movie, based on my opinion. But spare me the, 'OMG I can't believe Dragon Age has sunk so low, this is crap' stuff. That's based on your opinion, it isn't a fact just because you want it so. I liked this movie quite a bit as video game based movies go. Friendlysociopath (talk) 21:54, June 26, 2012 (UTC)
I have watched a ton of Anime, I am a fan. I am also a fan of the Dragon Age universe. Having said that, this movie was just painful to me to watch. I didn't expect it to be an awe inspiring epic, but still. It just added to the confusion of the lore due it its attempts to be *vague* and not step on anyone's preconceived cannon's toes.
Forget Cassandra's looks. The way she acting confused me more. Sure in the cut scenes she gets a bit harsh with Varric, but in this thing she's the anti-christ of anger.....and then it's miraculously gone?
But what really made me want to take my own eye out with an icepick was the animation itself. That.Was.Vile. Being an artist myself, I understand wanting to mix up the styles and be original. In this instance it failed miserably.
The way it flickered back and forth between high def computer graphics, hand drawn cells, and motion capture color overs, completely stunted the flow of the movie. The transitions were so abrupt it was jarring and made it impossible, for me at-least, to even attempt to be immersed in the experience.
The fact that this wasn't some 3rd string unknown animation studio makes this even more shocking. They can, and have, put out quality work before. So someone must have REALLY been yanking the reigns on this thing.Vhardamis (talk) 08:14, June 27, 2012 (UTC)
Originally, I wasn't going to comment on this thread, because I have absolutely no interest in seeing Dawn of the Seeker. The reason I am posting is to defend Alek. I have noticed this in several threads: any time that a user happens to voice a logical and well thought-out retort that actually makes sense and just gives his/her opinion is viewed as attacking or being a dick. Its not being a dick, its our opinion, its our perspective so please, stop being childish about it and just accept that someone has valid reasons to dislike something from the Dragon Age series. Not once did Alek say that he was automatically right, not once did he show any signs of elitism. He did NOT attack the person, he argued with him in a civilized way. That's just my two cents, I know someone's going to say that I'm off-topic and that I'm making it a big deal, it just really bothers me. So lay off if you would. Please and thank you very much. --Sjelen Kain (talk) 07:37, June 28, 2012 (UTC)
You should watch some good shows like Legend of the Seeker. There is your true Seeker and you all should read Sword of Truth book series because it's better than these games. I like them both, but Sword of Truth is the BEST! --18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:18, June 29, 2012 (UTC)Jak Darckner
My apologies, I did not intend any offense to Alek specifically. I was merely trying to resolve several things people seemed confused with. And yes, Legend of the Seeker kicks ass! Friendlysociopath (talk) 03:58, June 30, 2012 (UTC)