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BRING ON THE THEORIES. Who is the Elder one? This clears it up. That thing in the hood was it an elf? HAWKE returning? So many questions? 09:12, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

DRAGON AGE™ INQUISITION Official Trailer – The Enemy of Thedas

That's defiantly Hawke and the Warden at 1:37...I'm so pumped!!--110.23.2.251 (talk) 09:25, August 13, 2014 (UTC)TeutonicLol

*Definitely. Defiantly means "With a resistance to a certain something." Like: The fortress Defiantly stood the siege. This little typo was just having rough rapey sex with my eyes. Doveen the fox (talk) 12:07, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

It is Hawke, but it is not *the* Warden. Laidlaw outlined as much on his twitter. As for who the enemy is, I'm guessing Corypheus. 67.61.238.119 (talk) 09:27, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't a great fan of the Corypheus= Elder One theory, but the voice acting, the magisters worshipping him and his will to be God, convinced me it is actually Corypheus.--Damx (talk) 09:36, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

i think the elder one is an old god or one of the forbidden ones, i belive there will be more than one major vaillain !--Nachtstahl (talk) 09:28, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I think it is the Forgotten One, or could it be an old god? Razikale? 09:34, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Love the fact that Hawke is definitely in this. It will be excting to see how previous gameplays in DAII affect his/her appearance. 94.215.23.200 (talk) 10:14, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I think the enemy is something that can unified and make clear all the theory about "Gods" from the beliefs of human and elves. and since we are talking about the trailer, I think I'm more curious about who is (if not our Warden) the one with Hawke in the trailer? PS. I think Hawke look more gorgeous in the default female of DA2 than in this trailer.--Iddawiki (talk) 10:44, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Heyo, noob here. I noticed in the trailer when they had a close up on of what I assume is a Teviner mage's face he has a tattoo on his forehead, the tree we see at the start of the DAO intro (about 35 seconds in). It's also the same one as on Flemeth's Grimoire so it's definitely related to the first magisters. Pretty much Corypheus then? Although his voice is different from DA2. Also, the notion of the Inquisitor being a mistake and having a doppelganger with same/similar powers was intriguing, too. --The Dwarven Smithy (talk) 12:01, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

This has made me wet my pants... I WANT IT NOW!!!! first, Who de the F is the old one??? sounds like something taken out of an H.P.Lovecraft novel. Second, DID I JUST SEE HAWKE AND THE WARDEN ALONG WITH THE INQUISITOR???? SWEET MOTHER OF SHIT--Dave The Maniac (talk) 13:20, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Two thing's that i noticed, one is that Morrigan is standing behind the hooded figure with the face tattoo, and the second is that the dragons they kept showing throughout the trailer and the one there at the end looked different, the one at the end was much larger and i could be wrong but it looked almost like an old god/archdemon. Btw i don't think the main big bad is corypheus the voice sounded different, plus it sounded too prideful, as in DA2 he said we referring to each magister. My bet for the big bad is an old god, judging by how the voice talked about the maker i assume one long thought dead, so im going back to my old Dumat theory.69.137.105.104 (talk) 13:41, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

If the Elder one is actually one of the Old Gods, free of the taint and freed by Cory, it makes sense. If it's one of the Old Gods freed from the taint that was born via the ritual, and Cory finds out and gets involved, it makes a whole lot of sense. It explains Morrigan being there, maybe Flemeth's origin, maybe even the whole Andraste is an OGB thing given where we start the game...need to think it through though. A few other things. I do not think Morrigan's kid is a bad guy in this game, but could be corrupted to become one, hence her presence. Cory could be the Elder one, but it has way too many holes for him to be the big bad guy present, so it needs to be something else. Also, this elder one, if it is an old god, may not be an enemy in a sense we are used too. This is shaping up to be more of a fight for the truth over a fight to save the world. There may not be a right side in this.The Grey Unknown (talk) 13:55, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to sound like a fanboy here, but I back this 100%. It makes sense for an old god to want to be worshipped. 14:22, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Nobody else thinking its fellasan from mask of the empire ! Hooded elf face tattoos and we know what happens to him at the End soooo possession? And warden looks like a shitty alistairStar Metal Knight (talk) 14:28, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

That warden probably wasn't Alistair. In their canon which is evident in the trailer as it was Fem Hawke, he is king and that warden was in a warden armour. 14:31, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

True but isnt cannon hawke msle mage? Its not like they couldnt show us another version of playthru to mess with us where alistair stayed warden and our warden died or was king or whateverStar Metal Knight (talk) 14:41, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, you may be right. If that is Alistair it looks nothing like him ahahah 14:57, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe he is the warden-commander, would make sense to battle an old god to gather the two most powerful heroes ever... oooh damn I can just imagine the epicnes of that battle!!!--Dave The Maniac (talk) 15:16, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah it actually could be, because I think they may be using their canon decisions here. So if your warden is dead, it's substituted? 15:45, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Mark said it was not the warden from origins but could it be the one from Awakening using the canon???--Dave The Maniac (talk) 15:52, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I read the tweet a couple of hours ago when he posted it. So it could be indeed the commander. 16:04, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Cassandra and Leliana were looking for the COMMANDER not the warden sooooo... he has to be the commander from DA:A--Dave The Maniac (talk) 16:06, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

What? They both said at the end of DA2 that the warden was missing too, and claimed they would "keep" looking. Plus, our warden becomes the warden commander so it could be referencing that, though he does give up the title. I haven't come across that one, or was it in a dlc. Escapes me really. 16:20, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

True, but they also search for the Warden in DA2 if the DAO version made the Ultimate Sacrifice and should be dead. Then, the Orlesian Warden from DA:A is the Warden-Commander and they continue to look for a Warden who vanished, implying that the Warden they seek is indeed the Warden-Commander of Amaranthine. Sharth (talk) 19:07, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

The tatooed guy looks like Felassan to me. Imshael might be our main foe in this game. Another wild guess is that the big dragon at the end of the trailer (the one that attacks what seems to be our enemy) is Flemeth. And... could that golden shiny humanoid in the Fade asking the Inquisitor to take its hand be the Maker (or a good spirit)?--Akanthar (talk) 14:53, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

The trailer was good, the best they made yet. I believe that the hooded figure is Felassan but I did not believe they ever told us in "The Masked Empire" who the person in the end was so I believe it is The Elder One but not Imshael. My theories instead all point towards a old god. Lets go through the facts: it is a dragon and looks different than any other dragon and the only ones we know of that would fit that description are Flemeth and the old gods. It also sounded masculine and different from Flemeth so I doubt that it is her. It proclaimed itself the god of the world - wich admittedly anyone might but would further fit the old god-description (especially the hinted animosity against the worship of the Maker). I doubt that it is an archdemon both because we saw no darkspawn (instead it's cult consists mostly of humans) and also because the archdemons seem less... sapient, the one in origins never said a word. It also hints that the inquisitor was a failed "disciple" who rebelled against it. the reasons are the "you are a mistake" line and because we see many characters who look similar to the inquisitor, one even had the same helmet. This would also explain the inquisitors special powers. Further I believe that the dragon attacking the elder one is Flemeth because it is clearly on our side fighting The Elder One and I do not believe it was a simple tamed dragon. Caspoi (talk) 16:08, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I'm curious as to whether the elder one is an old god (dragon), the trailer shows several different dragons, and the red glowing one could well be a dragon "infected" by red lyrium. So far, to my knowledge anyway, dragon's haven't appeared in the fade, and we now know that the red lyrium has adverse effects on things in thedas, I think that maybe it allows a dragon to go into the fade, making it a doubly long fight, (kill it thedas, then kill it in the fade). I agree that the other dragon could well be flemeth, if its an old god or the forgotten one or possibly a fade being of equal power to flemeth, all of this assumes that the dragon fight takes place in the fade, it looks like it does, maybe. I'm also surprised no one has suggested the giant crab/tentacle monster as the elder one (that i can see, anyway). Also, any ideas on what the glowing humanoid figure near the start is, if the theory that the inquisitor has actually betrayed this elder one is right, could mr./mrs. glow be the elder one? ACdeakial (talk) 20:29, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I also thought so about the glowing humanoid (it has the same color as the inquisitors fade-powers) but I do not think that you can both kill a person in Thedas and in the fade because if it's body dies I doubt that it's mind will miracously travel to the fade unscathed. And as for the giant creature being The Elder One instead of the dragon, well you have to pick one (unless it is shapeshifting) and the dragon seems more likely; it is the creature shown when The Elder One is speaking and the other giant creature seemed more like a summoned monster. Caspoi (talk) 21:56, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I was actually thinking about the possibility of the elder one being a shapeshifter as I was writing that. Since the lore tells us that the old gods were depicted as dragons, and that they had a presence in the fade, if this elder one were indeed an old god there is the possibility it could take on many forms. Which in turn makes me hope that flemeth's origins may be hinted at if this is the case. Otherwise I get the feeling the elder one could be one of the first demons in existence, far more superior and powerful compared to any we have seen so far in the fade, maybe a pride demon considering it is comparing itself to a god. Now, about having to kill something in thedas, and then in the fade, the problem I have is that we (or at least me) don't know a lot about the fade, I know that on the wiki it says: "The possession is not physical – the demon is still in the Fade, but so is the mage's spirit, and the demon is able to control the body through that captive spirit like a puppet." With that in mind, I wouldn't rule it out completely. Suffice to say it would work well as a game gimmick for a boss. The glowing humanoid is probably the source of the inquisitors powers, and as there is another character in the trailer who has the same color glowing eyes it could be the elder one, or at least something of significance to a thedas cult. I will admit this trailer has made me super geek out, I'm making crazy theories in my head about it, especially since I was thinking about Sandal's prophetic comment from DA2 which at a glance seem to be describing the events in inquisition.ACdeakial (talk) 22:18, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

The thought that The Elder One is a demon fits well with the "Imshael theories" although I do not believe it myself, as for the idea that you have to kill The Elder One twice: well the developers certainly may do that (they can do anything they want to) but it still sounds far fetched to me. I did not understand the last bit about "another character" however. Caspoi (talk) 23:07, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I meant the inquistor doppleganger from the choking scene, I'm just getting the feeling that the inquisitor was involved with venatori or another cult with all the "you were a mistake" stuff, that or he/she was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The cult seems to definitely be tied to the elder one, while, if they appear, characters like corypheus will appear as subplot antagonists just taking advantage of the chaos. Maybe the actions of these subplot antagonists will lead on to the next dragon age story. (sorry went off a bit there) ACdeakial (talk) 23:32, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Yes they certainly made it clear that the Venatori worship The Elder One "They are under the command of the Venatori, in service of something called 'The Elder One'." and as for characters like Corypheous I believe that at least he will be responsible for trying to bring the Grey Wardens under the control of The Elder One - if I am right in my "The Elder One is an old god theory" that is. Caspoi (talk) 16:34, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

I definitely think that Corypheus is involved with the wardens, I've read a post about last flight that said the book hints at a possible reason as to why the wardens have gone to the "dark side" but that was it, regardless I think Corypheus is the puppet master behind the warden fight scene in the trailer. But the more I think about it, the more I start to think that Bioware are releasing these snippets of information in the trailers as a means of misdirection. Especially with the dragons that appear, having rewatched the enemy trailer I do believe that dragon at the end to be an old god, as it looks a lot like how I imagine the archdemon to look untainted. But I believe it's Lusacan, not Razikale like other people, purely because of it's dark color in the trailer, the Urthemiel archdemon looked to me like it had a purplish twinge, purple is associated with royalty, royalty is normally depicted as beatiful (or at least used to be), and we haven't seen any other archdemons/old gods yet, but the association could still be a valid one. While I wouldn't mind the elder one being an old god, it seems too predictable, but that only applies if the elder one is the mastermind behind the breach, bioware may well be misdirecting us. I've no doubt that we will be seeing an uncorrupted old god in inquistion, and depending on whether the other dragon is also an old god or flemeth, we may see how the old gods affect regular dragons. I'm thinking of the darkspawns song, maybe high dragons can hear a screaming noise when the get too close to an god and it drives them mad and forces them to attack. If an old god ends up being the main antagonist I do want the option to load a catapult full of darkspawn and fire it at the old god. ACdeakial (talk) 16:53, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Just wondering but did the person at 1:26 look a bit like Meredith? I doubt that it is her both because the developers said almost outright once that she is dead and also because the person was using a fire-spell (I know that red lyrium gives magical abilities but no fire-spells so far as we have seen) but do you have any idea who it might be? Caspoi (talk) 16:21, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Agree with much your points. But i wouldn't just call that dragon "a simple tamed one". There may be a massive significance behind taming the dragon. It may have it's entire own quest in itself. It could be important to advancing the story for all we know. I just think that if it was "Flemeth" it'd look different to the one we saw in the dragon fight. I'd expect it to look not like she did in da2 but at least retain some features. I think the Elder One is an old god, but an uncorrupted one. 16:17, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I agree but I believe you misunderstood and what I thought was that if the dragon was at the great battle against The Elder One it should be an important character. And all dragons have changed since Dragon Age Inquisition meaning that we do not know how she will look like.Caspoi (talk) 16:21, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

If you wanna respond to me just add this : at the beginning, :D just thought i'd help you there. And I agree, everything has changed in regards to looks of things. It could be Flemeth, but I guess we'll wait this one out. That dragon could just be an ordinary one or an old god, who knows. 16:29, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

comments are going on here so fast they are getting deleted :(Star Metal Knight (talk) 18:00, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Who was the Mage in the Grey Warden robes next to Hawke in the trailer? Was it Anders?--Hawke111 (talk) 18:31, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

any chance that bioware have chosen to redesign carver's appearance? and that thats carver with hawke, would make sense if he lived after deep roads expidition. I don't know what bioware's canon for da2 is. My bet is that they've redone carver especially for this trailer just to toy with the fans hearts.

Personally I doubt it'd be Carver, as I would imagine whatever they are setting up to customize Hawke would also alter certain appearance variables for the twins - like hair colour. If that guy is not the Warden of DA:O and/or Awakening, then I think he's simply a random Warden. 58.166.132.164 (talk) 19:45, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

I think that the world state they used to gather the hawke and warden footage in that trailer was chosen specifically, while laidlaw has denied it is da:o warden, it could be the commander from awakening which implies that our warden could take that position if they became commander, otherwise it could be a warden we are yet to meet, which is likely as we will be visiting a warden stronghold at some point in the game. ACdeakial (talk) 20:15, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

The most exciting thing for me personally was seeing Morrigan back in her old outfit on the front lines again!! :) It actually REALLY took me by surprise, as I expected her role to be not as direct, such as influencing events within the politics in Orlais from her position as Arcane advisor. I didn't think her goals would lead her to directly fighting the main threat. Maybe she will be an agent that you don't start with, but can acquire mid-game or something? Or maybe she will take the "agent" position for a few missions (that may or may not have to do with Flemeth). :D I really geeked out at this trailer! Legolas105 (talk) 21:11, August 13, 2014 (UTC) Legolas01

When you say agent do you mean advisor? Caspoi (talk) 21:59, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Yes! Sorry, I used the wrong term. I meant advisor. I'm thinking that maybe Morrigan will be an advisor once the game advances. It could make sense, such as maybe Morrigan springs into action once the things that brought her to Orlais in the first place start taking place. It would be a nice surprise too, as the game devs haven't said that the Leliana, Cullen, and Josephine will be the only three advisors you will ever have. Just a thought. :) Legolas105 (talk) 04:33, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

You know I really don't think Cory is the Elder One: his voice is way too different and more badass and seems to have a megalomaniac attitude. The way I look at it Corypheus was just a man (with mortal ambitions) with a big hunger for power who got crossed by his "God", damm I would want revenge or at least some answers from the one who did it. By the way neither do I think it's an Old God. Just think about it: Why (being a Tevinter zealot) would you refer to one of the Old Gods by "The Elder One" when the seven of 'em have their own names? --Jafrost21 (talk) 04:49, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

This is probably nitpicking but it does state to "bow down before your new god". If it's one of the Old Gods then it's not necessarily new then, is it?--The Dwarven Smithy (talk) 09:39, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

If that is true then I'm sticking to my theory about it being one of the oldest fade beings in existence, if what I think, and a few others too, about the inquisition revealing more than just who is behind the rift and that these revelations may well bring down the chantry, and destroy other beliefs, it fits better to have it not be a god that we have seen or heard of before. It could be that its a powerful fade creature, potentially, if flemeth did merge with a fade creature, one of equal power/age/knowledge as it, which could explain her involvement if she is the dragon in that fight scene.ACdeakial (talk) 10:41, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

I believe the developers have said that the villain is not going to be completely new to dragon age fans and also that the "bow down before your new god" means "worship me instead of the Maker", that he is new for them instead of new as a whole. Caspoi (talk) 16:04, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

The quote that really stuck with me was that this is the most ambitious game Bioware has done...and while i love it I'm a little worried that something is going to get dropped with so many balls in the air. From a marketing perspective they;ve made pretty much every move correctly thus far (the Fandom is at a level of optimism and excitement that i did not think would happen in a post da2 world) but i worry that too many things are going to be going on

Never the less i am planning on hibernating till November...seriously I am counting the days --Tabristhegreat (talk) 11:55, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Intresting, so far no one care for the frist couple of seconds when we see mages and templars standing togheter when the fortres is blowing up. If there is nothing more to excite about, at least this strongly sugest that the Inquisitor can bring peace to this two faction.

Secondly the white being, when you closer look at it is femal. So i stick to my frist thought when i was watching trailer that is new charakter. Some good spirit that grants you the power to close rifts. --89.68.238.11 (talk) 20:49, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

I noticed the mages and templars together, but I gathered that the reason they are all there is because of the negotiations going down to try and end the bloodshed, but the explosion will probably end up making things worse. I believe that one of the writers stated that DA:I begins with certain parties within the mages and templars opting for a peace treaty, which is why they were meeting at the temple of sacred ashes. I agree that the glowing women is a spirit trying to disrupt the elder one's plans, which is why in the trailer someone is saying "you are a mistake... you should never have existed". Obviously this voice is involved with the breach and the inquisitor is an unforeseen opponent. ACdeakial (talk) 21:07, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

You hear the phrase "Herald of Andraste" a few times. Maybe that glowing figure is Andraste? It'd be pretty interesting if the Maker turned out to be way worse than any demon arch, elder, forgotten or otherwise. Also, that scene at the end with the Dragon fight looked like something straight out of Dawn of the Seeker. Have they mentioned if anything from that would show up in the game? A girl with the power to mentally dominate dragons seems like it'd be pretty useful for the Inquisition. Town Moron (talk) 21:49, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

I'd been thinking about dawn of the seeker myself, if I remember correctly that girl doesn't actually die, and at least Cassandra knows of her. Maybe, if we get to have a tamed dragon on our side, she's the one responsible. Aside from that, I've looked closely at that scene in the trailer and I'm almost certain that it happens in the fade. If you look carefully you can see floating bricks, so it's either in the fade, or a distortion effect caused by the breach. Aside from that, having the maker as the big bad would certainly be a twist, and a revelation which would almost certainly cripple the chantry. I may convert to the qun... ACdeakial (talk) 22:02, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

My personal theory about that glowing figure, mad as it is, is that Andraste may have been a mage, and bonded with a benevolent Spirit the way Anders did with Justice, but she lacked the underlying anger issues to corrupt the thing the way Justice got turned into Vengeance. And wen she died, the Spirit went back into the Fade, still having had its self-image changed by the bond so it thinks of itself as female and possibly as Andraste. What if that Spirit is also the reason the Ashes even work at all? Jasin Moridin 12:36, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

...Where is hawke in this? (Goddamn horrible vision) Friendlysociopath (talk) 22:39, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Fem-Hawke appears at 1.37, just before the ginormous crab/spider/octopus mosnter does. ACdeakial (talk) 22:53, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

This is a little bit out there, but has anyone considered that the voice over, aside from the doppleganger moment, is not talking to the inquisitor? The "you were a mistake" comment could be about mankind/elfkind/kossith/dwarves, I know some people think its Alexius, but what if its not? As the fade did come first, Thedas second, maybe something out there thinks the Maker made a mistake in creating Thedas. The "bow before your new god" comment, I'm not taking that too seriously, as I'm 87% certain that I have heard a demon say something along those lines, combined with something about the Maker not existing. But I will say this, the voice at the start, and the voice at the end, are the same... Maybe, very similar however. Just chucking that idea out there. ACdeakial (talk) 19:01, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Well, demons like to be worshipped and one in origins (during the orphanage quest in Denerim) claimed that the Maker did not exist. Caspoi (talk) 20:16, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

A dragon saved the Inquisitor from another Dragon. I'm thinking we not only have this mysterious Elder One, but also BOTH of the Remaining Old Gods thrown into the mix. I DO NOT believe that the Elder One is one of those two though. Just a hunch. One of them might be working with him though. And the other...well, is the enemy of my enemy my friend, or my enemies enemy? Side Notes: I saw NO sign of Hawke, male or female, only Morrigan, so what the hell are yall looking at? Inquisitor has a Doppleganger, which is VERY interesting and I really hope he/she is a recurring antagonist. 71.199.93.119 (talk) 23:47, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Hawke (with that stupid-but-still-somehow-cool blood-splatter-tattoo-thing on her face, and Orsino's staff) runs in with a Grey Warden just before the ginormous Octocrabtopus-demon-thing shows up in the trailer. Jasin Moridin 12:36, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

In a new Q&A on the writers developing villains for the games the image link associated with the session is the guy people think is Felassen, the one with the tree image on his forehead with Morrigan standing behind. A subtle clue that he's the big bad? Or a least a villain https://www.facebook.com/dragonage --The Dwarven Smithy (talk) 03:35, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

I do not think the main villain will be Corypheus or Dumat, Dumat was slain by the grey wardens, if he was not, the first blight would not end and I doubt that someone trapped his soul just like Urthemiel's and lately resurected him because according to Riordan none of those who fought Dumat survived so one of the wardens must have made the sacrifice to kill him but still I think that there will be an untainted old god to fight .... about the person staying behind the elven mage, it can be Morrigan but it can be also the creature confronting I:Roanquisitor with eyes glowing which is only transformed to another form. Roach22 (talk) 08:40, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

The glowing eyed Inquisitor is some kind of Doopleganger. My theory on him/her is that since you were exposed to massive amounts of Fade Energies and not only survived, but had it leave a mark on you, that you may have possibly left a mark on the Fade, and the Elder One is using that mark, your Doopleganger, to send a message...involving beating your ass...but that is my theory as compared to yours.71.199.93.119 (talk) 23:52, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

I actually believe the doppelganger to be a hallucination caused by a fear demon. In one trailer we see a bridge of sorts with the inquisitor on it, and a fear demon across the gap. To me the area looks similar to where we meet the doppelganger, and it kind of makes sense to have the Elder Ones "harbinger" be a fear demon. (That's for reason I can't explain, it just feels right to me) ACdeakial (talk) 02:31, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

You know what I think? I gotta funny feeling that what were fighting might be a sort of abomination of the Forbidden one Imshael and the Old God Razikale. Essentially, Ims forced his way into the slumbering God's body and the two came together into a hideous freak with a god complex and not a single trace of either of the original folks souls remaining. An ancient God with most of the Knowledge of Thedas buried in it's Draconian mind combined with a Fade-Spirit that makes most others look like pussy-cats, not liking our odds if my theory holds any water 72.49.66.138 (talk)

I just had a thought. I remember that the devs said something like the enemy isn't something or someone completely new and old fans might recognize it and I thought, "what if it's Krebulash?" That mission in Origin where you had to mark places with his glyph always struck me as odd since marking these places to claim their power for Krebulash seems kinda ominous since we're never told why we need to and once we mark them, a bunch of ominous black smoke rises from the ground. Plus we never even hear anything about it in the epilogue or anywhere else. Krebulash could be an abomination or a disguised demon tricking the Collective into doing things for him. 184.101.252.250 (talk) 05:42, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Cassandra, Vivienne, Iron Bull and the inquisitor. In the backdrop the mysterious dragon from the trailer.

Okay, so regardless of what I thought earlier, I was just looking at some of the Inquisition articles from a few days ago and I came across this image, don't know if its surfaced on the wiki yet, didn't do a thorough check. As much as I don't like the idea, all the evidence is pointing towards this dragon being an Old God. Well, maybe not evidence, but the majority seem to think so -at least from what I've seen- and given that Bioware said at some point, old fans would be seeing a familiar enemy in inquisition. I don't know if they were talking about this dragon, hence it being an old god, or something else entirely. I feel a bit disappointed about this, I'm not gonna lie, they have such a rich world to build a villain from, and they choose to chase an idea which practically confirms a certain religious story, or at least elements of it. I would have preferred they keep it ambiguous, since I enjoyed that element as it allowed me to immerse myself better. Oh well, just have to wait and see what they do with it, if it is indeed an old god.- ACdeakial (talk) 10:39, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

I also liked the idea of never "showing" which religion is the right one (or if no one is). But if we are to be honest they had already done this very thing with the whole "Corypheous" thing. Caspoi (talk) 14:28, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

^I wouldn't go as far as to say that they confirmed any particular religion. It's true that Corypheus worshiped dumat, but we don't know what the Old Gods are and whether the chantry simply uses them as an example. To quote what the Qun says about the old gods, "The olds gods were likened unto dragons, like the first human kings were likened unto ordinary men". Clearly everyone in Thedas believes they aren't just dragons, but something more, hence the speculation about what they are, and the title "Old Gods". Personally, I wouldn't mind an old god being a villain IF they ended up being possessed dragons. We do see in Awakening the power to cast a spirit out of the fade, and from what I gather Justice is actually in the real world and unable to "physically" return to the fade (he can go there like we do, but he returns like we do), and this power would fit with the story of the old gods being cast out and "buried". I'm not against them revealing something like this, as it makes sense for a religion to be built upon stories with some semblance of truth in them. What I'm trying to say is that provided they don't have the maker, or andraste -or the elven gods for that matter- appear and save the world, all these revelations that occur are just fuel to keep the fires of their religion burning strong. This I don't mind, but I do think they are treading on thin ice.-ACdeakial (talk) 15:06, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

What if the Elder One was the father of the Old God. I know its a bit out there. But it a theory worth considering. What do you guys think? WeAreFeralden (talk) 14:55, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

@WeAreFeralden I have actually been theorizing on how the fade creatures population changes. I think that if there was a mitosis style form of reproduction, then once the fade creatures have "fed" enough they split. It kind of fits the story of the maker, there was originally one, then one becomes two, two becomes four, etc. This allows for those ideas where the old gods are one faction of spirits/demons banished by another. This elder one could have been one of the banisher's turned bad, so potentially a father figure of the old gods, i.e the split of one of the seven, perhaps Urthemiel as these events are so recent to the fifth blight. Maybe he choose to honour the Old Gods by taking the same form, so the Elder One is not actually an Old God that we know, but a New Old God. I will also say, the idea stemmed from the fact that I find it difficult to believe that the fade has a static population, as there must be billions upon billions of demons/spirits residing there, and we've killed a few, not to mention the rest that others have killed before us. Anyone know how many demons we've actually killed in the fade?-ACdeakial (talk) 15:23, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

I have also wondered about how the spirits reproduce because if they are not immortal then they will sooner or later die out and if they are immortal then you can't "kill" them and old enemies could return (this also present problems such as the fact that the demons present an horde you can not destroy). they might be the spirits of the dead and replenish for every death that happens although I doubt it considering the fact that they are so fundamentally different from "humans". And as for Corypheus what I meant was that it confirmed large parts of the "black city story". Caspoi (talk) 13:35, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

I won't deny, I'm in doubt about the "black city story" as Corypheus doesn't actually tell us it was gold before they entered. "Darkness... ever since. How long?". Great use of punctuation by Bioware as that statement could be taken several ways. I'm not, like, anti-chantry or anything, but have you, or anyone else, ever considered the possibility that their perception of the Black city had been altered? I only say this because we've seen Desire demons alter how people see the world, and possibly the fade, so it's not difficult to imagine the old gods doing it to the magisters. Maybe they desired the release of the taint all along. Considering, up until Awakening, darkspawn followed the Archdemon's without question, that is in my opinion a better form of worship than the gradual doubt occurring with the Chantry, -I may be using my own personal opinion with the gradual doubt thing there- I'm not positive but didn't the Old Gods want to be worshiped like "real" gods? ACdeakial (talk) 19:38, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

I did not say that it confirmed that the chant of light is correct only that the magisters apparently did enter the golden city that is all. Caspoi (talk) 21:48, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't trying to say that you did say that the chant of light was correct. I was just trying to point out that Bioware used clever punctuation to make us think that what we have found out about the black city was indeed correct. A large number of people miss the subtleties like the mage who was made to believe he had a wife a kids, or the altering of our appearance whilst in the fade. It's these ideas that have opened my mind to the possibility that the magisters perception of the black city had been altered. Although, it was probably not just the magisters. It wasn't directed at you, in particular, you just brought up the facts that reminded me of the idea, so I thought I would share. ACdeakial (talk) 23:25, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

"You were a mistake, you should never have existed." Maybe the Elder One was once a good guy and the glowing-spirit-thing once served the Elder One then he became corrupt. So the spirit fled where he ran in to the inquisitor (at the beginning of the trailer it shows the explosion and he was the only survivor "You walked out of the fade and our soldiers found you, the only one to escape a blast that killed thousands" so the explosion went off, the inquisitor fled to the fade met the spirit) that's how he has the powers and why he is told he is a mistake should never have existed. Or maybe the spirit was once evil before abandoning the Elder One, the Elder one has an army of demons maybe the spirit was once one of his generals and the doppleganger we saw was a general who had taken the inquisitor's form when he left the fade. That would explain the similar powers.--96.39.206.7 (talk) 18:05, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

^While I am inclined to agree with most of your theory, I don't think the inquisitor was present at the time of the explosion. I actually think that the inquisitors origin story will reveal that a fade tear was opened before them, wherever they may have been, they go through meet the spirit, gain the power, and then the explosion happens and they are sucked out and thrown through the breach. I don't think they were present at the explosion, instead they were transported there afterwards. I don't think this is too absurd as I believe the breach has shifted the geography in the fade, like water being sucked down a plughole, there is a common point of convergence. Onto the doppleganger, I believe this to be a hallucination of sorts, caused by a Fear demon. In one of the earlier trailers we see the inquisitor kneeling before a green light/fade tear forming with a Fear demon across the gap. The bridge design we see with doppleganger screams out at me as being the same. But it still fits with a demon being an agent of the Elder One. I mean what better way to send a message than for you to be the one delivering it to yourself.-ACdeakial (talk) 18:42, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

That makes sense and i just watched a video by the person thought the spirit was Divine Beatrix III due to the bossom and funny hat thing--96.39.206.7 (talk) 19:10, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

^That's not necessarily true, as we know that spirits and demons can take on whatever form they want to whilst in the fade, so it could simply be the spirit wanted to take on a familiar form, as most people regard anything from the fade as evil and are fearful of them because of abominations, hence the inquisitor being referred to as the herald of andraste. The same effect would not have happened if the spirit took the form of a bear would it? I too have just rewatched the trailer, and I have changed my mind on the inquisitor being in the fade when the spirit appears, as there appears to be a sandstorm, and a flashing of white behind it. I now think that the spirit broke through using the same method as the breach, and brought the inquisitor back there, then sent him/her out after the explosion occurs. ACdeakial (talk) 19:48, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

"I don't think the inquisitor was present at the time of the explosion." Well apparently that's wrong as cool as it'd be. Apparently the new origin stories that SMK uploaded here, off the website show that we are there when the negotiations are being made. Such as the human: "Willing or unwilling, you were sent to the Chantry's conclave to assist relatives who sought to make peace between the templars and mages. It didn't go well." Or the Dwarf origin " part of the ruthless Cadash crime family, you spent your life on the streets of various Free Marcher city-states—until you were sent to the Chantry conclave as a spy and everything changed" http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Dragonage.com_updated_-_models_and_backgrounds_for_every_race/class_combination_provided?t=20140820121756 13:02, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

^Ahh, damn. I was unaware the origin stories have been posted, this new information makes me curious as to whether we meet the spirit in the fade, where there is apparently a sandstorm raging -although if it is in the fade I have a theory on the cause of the sandstorm-, Or if it happens after the explosion and when we have received our powers. Oh well, I still believe the spirit to be taking on a friendly, familiar form as to not create more panic. ACdeakial (talk) 19:38, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

The fact that the explosion is taking place where the Sacred Ashes temple is, gets me thinking that there is a link between that and the spirit itself. I initially thought that the spirit may have been a spirit that possessed Andraste, or Andraste herself. Though I'm open to speculation. 21:00, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that's why I think the spirit is one of Hope or something similar. Considering the explosion happens at the Temple Of SA, it's safe to assume that at least 75% of the people there, or who have been there, are imagining what andraste looked like/how she is described in stories, combine that with the possibility that they are also picturing a divine, and the spirit has found the most likely form to take which will cause less panic and chaos. I'm curious to find out if Andraste -or the figure which Andraste was based upon- was a mage and had a close connection with the spirit. It's that or the spirit is simply fascinated by the story of Andraste, and stands watching over the temple to learn more/feed off of the hope she symbolizes. ACdeakial (talk) 21:13, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

There is a strong possibility that it is in fact a spirit. But I don't think it's just any old spirit. It is probably a powerful fade spirit. I'm still thinking it's Andraste. But for some weird reason I think it won't be. It literally could be anything. If it was a spirit of hope that possessed Andraste, that'd be interesting. That is if Andraste was possessed. This is speculative, as I think she was a mage anyways. But that doesn't necessarily equate to her being a mage. I just think it's probable. Could it be a manifestation of all the souls that died in the area? Again, I doubt that, it just came to my mind as I type this. Speculation is fun here, there are endless possibilities, regardless of how daring we may sound :) 21:37, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

I do enjoy a good bit of speculation, especially if it what others, or me, get people thinking and joining in on the speculation, its hard to find someone to have a good ol' chinwag with about dragon age in my "real world". I agree, if it is a spirit it must be powerful, and intelligent. But as spirits and demons are described as lacking ambition, I believe it must have merged like anders/justice to form something new, with it's own ambitions and "soul". I really hope they don't reveal it as andraste as that adds another piece of evidence to back up the chantry, but a spirit who believes without a doubt, that it is andraste when it actually isn't would be interesting to see. I doubt that it is a manifestation of souls, too strange for my tastes. I never thought of andraste as a mage, I suppose it's possible, but it's also just as possible she's like Cole. Also, I used Hope as an example as that just seemed to fit with a lot of things, Andraste freed the elves and gave them hope of a better life, the inquisitor can close fade tears giving the world hope that the disaster can be stopped. It may not be a spirit of hope at all. ACdeakial (talk) 22:01, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Just because it supports the chantry's version of that event, doesn't necessarily confirm that belief system. For example, if she were to be a mage, that'd cause some serious shuffle amongst the belief system. The Imperial Chantry, thinks Andraste is a mage, and a lot of us here think she is, especially the events that are described during her war on the imperium. Again, I don't think it's any ol' spirit. I literally think it's something of major significance, and I think we'll recognise it through our understanding of the DA lore. Which makes me think it's Andraste. Again, I'd like to reiterate that just because a certain thing of the Chantry is conformed, doesn't mean the entire system is true. The Chantry's version of events may be really different, in order to make sense of the world. Some elements may be right, others not so much. Even the Chant of Light has dissonant verses. Such as the Canticle of Shartan, which is forbidden to be studied. How many other verses have truly been lost true the ages? That is, if the Chant was right in the first place. Regardless, BioWare need to treat the topic of religion really carefully in DAI. It could either ruin or make the lore. 22:33, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

I don't disagree, just because the evidence is there to back up elements of the story doesn't necessarily mean its true. In fairness, while I don't want this to be the case, it adds an interesting element. Even more so if there are in game debates about it. But yeah, if this is Bioware's intention they need to handle it carefully. I am actually eager to see what they add to the chant of light in Inquisition, it could be we get access to the parts considered forbidden. Another thing I am interested in is whether the leaked achievement lists tells the truth, as then we would get to see a more in-depth look at elven religion, as it hints something about Mythal. The mystery of glowing figure is something I look forward to unraveling in any case. ACdeakial (talk) 23:15, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

I completely agree that I want to see and learn more about the Elven faith. That's be super cool. And absolutely, I want to see more of the Chant of Light. Especially lost verses, and those that are forbidden. I think the Chantry's elite at the top have verses that could potentially change the faith completely, and shove it upside down. The glowing figure thing will probably be at the beginning of the game. Well, in the early parts. 07:13, August 21, 2014 (UTC)