Now I'm happy to see all the great responses to the most Badass Dragon Age character question I asked. But now I wonder who you guys think is the most evil character in the series.

Now by evil I dont mean which villain has killed the most people because otherwise the Archdemon is a clear winner, what I do mean is who is that one villain you really wanted to bring into real life just so you could kick em right in there Vlad the Impaler

I say Arl Howe, now anyone voiced by Tim Curry I refuse to hate but Arl Howe somehow did it. He kills your brothers wife and kid then your parents plus all your friends who worked at your castle.

So who do you hate the most!--TheRageMage (talk) 18:46, August 19, 2011 (UTC)TheRageMage Easy 1. Flemeth, 2. Meredeth, 3. Corypheus --TrentCousland (talk) 18:57, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

I know he's kind of a minor character,but I'd have to go with Quentin. Nug-humper kills my mother,I'd kill 'im, use blood magic to bring him back,then kill him again,each time more painful and slow than the last >:) Beemer92 (talk) 19:10, August 19, 2011 (UTC)Beemer92

Anders is a backstabber possessed terrorist who betrayed Hawke and killed innocent priests. Ends do NOT justify the means I regretted romancing him so much that I killed him in cold blood. I vote on him. franciscoamell

The founding fathers of the United States were backstabbing terrorists too. How dare they turn on the king and start some grand rebellion! YANKEEE RIFF RAFF! AHHHH ERG!HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 20:55, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but The Founding Fathers didn't lyrium bomb The Church of England killing 100s. Andy the Black (talk) 22:13, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

No, they didn't. They just massacred and killed thousands of innocent Native Americans, even those who sided with them and not the British. Kahmal (talk) 00:08, August 20, 2011 (UTC)Kahmal

First I'd like to say that I've always been appalled by atrocities committed against the Native Americans. But did the The Founding Fathers themselves kill 1000s of innocents? Andy the Black (talk) 00:26, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Long story short: yes. George Washington himself orchestrated a campaign to destroy the Iroquois, killing not just warriors, but women and children as well. Now, I am grateful for the good things George Washington did for America, but the Iroquois people are completely justified in vewing him as a "devil". Furthermore, all one has to do is look at the presidency of one Andrew Jackson to see how "civilized" our early leaders were. Kahmal (talk) 16:39, August 20, 2011 (UTC)Kahmal

Just to point out, this tangent is about the Founding Fathers. Andrew Jackson wasn't prevalent(or however that word is spelled) until the early 1800s, 30 years after the Founding Fathers did their thing. And let's be honest, Indians slaughtered men, women, and children too. Hell, they scalped people. That isn't "civilized", to use your word. Now, I'm not advocating the actions taken against the Native Americans, but they were just as guilty of barbarism like we were. Which, to tie this back into Dragon Age, is kind of the point of the game having no morality system. Everyone is guilty of something to some extent. There is no such thing as innocence. P.S. Can we please let this particular tangent end now? It's gone on too long, IMO.--CommanderCousland (talk) 21:32, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

There were thousands in the Chantry? I kind of doubt that, unless it's been documented somewhere. And no, the founding fathers didn't blow up buildings full of people, but they did however go around blowing people's heads off because of a tax on their breakfast drink, they also killed people in their sleep on Christmas. I'm not defending what they did to the Natives, that was pretty fucking bad, I'm not even defending their character. They were rich slave owners that didn't originally want poor people voting, but the rebellion wasn't a bad thing.. Until a few hundred years go by and we have modern day America, but that's a different discussion.HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 01:12, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

But the rebellion wasn't a bad thing.. Until a few hundred years go by and we have modern day America, but that's a different discussion. lmfao modern day america a good thing are you serious? that's is honostly the funniest thing iv heard all week good one. - Unknown p.s. sorry change the subject just had to point that out

Thanx for the input. My knowledge of American history beyond the last 60 years is unfortunately lacking. Andy the Black (talk) 17:13, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Are we talking most evil or most hated? Because my most hated is the little possessed girl in "Stone Prisoner", but she's hardly evil. Just infuriatingly annoying. Dorquemada (talk) 19:52, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

If Human Nobles, Arl Howe, definitely. For City Elves, Vaughan. In DA2, yeah, Quentin is up there, as well as Ser Alrik. Gruedragon (talk) 20:37, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Branka, she sacrifices her entire family and Oghren's entire family to get an Anvil so that she can eventually go on to turn people in Golems against their will and use them as slaves with the help of a control rod. I would say Cullen if the epilogue to Origins had come true. What's jer name? The racist chantry lady trying to kill the Qunari.. She's kind of a bitch too. Loghain's pretty far up there, depending on how you look at things. Also, the Warden depending on how you might play things out. Killing the Dalish, saving the Anvil, corrupting the urn of Sacred Ashes, releasing a demon baby onto the world, annulling the circle for giggles, ect, ect.HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 20:55, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, totally Arl Howe. I hated that bastard more than any villain in any game I've ever played. He's more evil than Mumm-Ra... almost. Andy the Black (talk) 20:57, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Thundercats reference ftw! EWRPV (talk) 20:30, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Evil is a tough thing to define. Actions aren't always necessarily evil, but motivations matter a lot. I don't even know that one could call the darskpawn "evil," since we don't know their motivation or if its simply their nature to consume and destroy. You could hardly call a disease "evil," despite the fact that all it does it destroy. Since most lower level Darkspawn (like the Mother) have a little problem with being deranged without guidance, that also makes it harder to peg them as a whole, especially since we're never told what the Archdemon is thinking.

Danarius is high up on the list. Nothing redeeming comes to mind. Everything he does seems to be for the sake of his own pride and vanity.

Quentin walks a fine line. Sure, what he does is horrible, but it's hard to say if he realizes the pain he's causing, what with the insanity thing. Gascard seems to be more aware of the pain being caused, and only tries to find Quentin to gain power, not actually help anyone. I'd say Gascard is more evil than Quentin due to his self-awareness.

I wouldn't hesitate to call Ser Alrik evil, as we see him taking pleasure in torturing at least one mage that doesn't mean to do anyone harm. Perhaps he thinks he is doing the right think, but his ideal of the right thing is practically genocide.

I wouldn't say Anders is at all evil. He's more or less a well-meaning idiot at (what he thinks, at least) is the end of his rope. As the writers have said, allowing Anders to live might be the greatest punishment, as he has to carry the guilt of what he does. I believe, despite all his templar and chantry-hating talk, he does feel an immense amount of guilt, and it shows at the end of Legacy. Anders is willing to hear out other views if they make sensible points.

And that brings me to what I thought was an overall problem with DAII. The templars hardly ever made a convincing argument for their side. Thrask, probably the most likable of the templars, was a mage sympathizer. Cullen was the only loyalist that I actually agreed with at times, and he's probably one of the best-written characters in the series so far. The final choices of Act III would have been much more difficult if Meredith was of a mind more like Cullen's, rather than an obviously paranoid, lyrium-driven psycho. It felt like DAII turned into a commentary on the dangers of drug use, rather than an in-depth look at the factions that began one of Thedas' most destructive wars.

And on a final note, since this is getting way too long: Bhelen. Destroy family, seize throne, dissolve communal governing, make self emperor of dwarves. Yeah, he's evil. LeChien (talk) 21:06, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

The NPC I wnated to see dead the most is Arl Howe. With my human Noble I've still got a savegame just befor the fight with him. There is only one NPC out there I loathed more, and that would be Sephiroth from FF7...--Tanis84 (talk) 21:32, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Anders, the psychopathic terrorist, the Timothy McVeigh of the game. I didn't like him much in Awakenings but after DA2, he just creeps me out now. He has murder in his heart right from the first time Hawke meets him and has killed Wardens, Templars, and wants everybody dead who he thinks will stand in his way to "purge the chantry from society." He lies about everything including the periods and commas when talking about the plight of the mages. He defends evil blood mages. Justice never understood the human world and Anders never understood the concept of responsibility, putting the two of them together is a recipe for disaster. Knowing what he will become in DA2. every time I play Awakenings, I want my warden to off him or bitch slap him before the game is over. He is no hero, he is zero. That weasel Howe is a close second, a very close second.--Diosprometheus (talk) 21:54, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I can see you and I are going to be talking quite a bit because you're a big friend of tyranny, but uhh.. Say what you want about Anders, but he NEVER defends blood magic (I don't understand why personally, but oh well). Have you heard him interact with Merrill? At all?HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 00:06, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I said he defends Blood Mages not Blood Magic. There is a difference. He says, "What is one Templar compared to a dozen mages?" when Grace asked Hawke to kill the good Templar Thrask. It so happens that all those Mages were Blood Mages including Grace, who kidnaps Hawke's sibling if you have have Anders along in the the deep roads. You already made your unwarranted and nasty Hitler accusation to me. Now you make another unwarranted and untoward accusation that has no place in this discussion group that I am defender of Tyranny. You should follow your own advice and stop flamming me. After all it is only a game. I obviously see the the Dragon Age world in complex ways that you do not with your personal attacks on people who do not agree with you about Anders. --Diosprometheus (talk) 01:30, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I obviously see the the Dragon Age world in complex ways that you do not - ahahaha, humility won't be your downfall any time soon, I see. :D Also, I love Anders. Totes on of my favourite characters in all series. ♥ Dorquemada (talk) 07:38, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Your criticism is duly noted and I would even consider it fair. It, however was not meant as a general or universal comment but as a specific one made to a person who has made false and inflamatory comments to me even prior to this posting. I hope that you would understand that I do not appreciate being flammed or accused of things I do not support anymore than you would appreciate being accused of them as they are offensive and were meant to offend. But if the statement has offended you, or if you misunderstood it to be directed towards you or others here as a general and universal criticism, then I humbly apologize to you and anyone else who took it wrongly as I did not mean it that way. I think that understanding that the Chantry and the Templars are oppressive but have societal roles to play in Dragon Age can be mutually execlusive to the behavior and motivations of the possessed Anders in Dragon Age2. I also believe we can discuss these issues in ways that do not involve making personal attacks on people. Don't you agree? Thank you for you comment, and please accept my apology to you.--Diosprometheus (talk) 16:58, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I don't think Anders is truly evil at all. Sure his act of blowing up the chantry was evil, no doubt, but he himself was not. An evil man would have gone all bomb happy far sooner than Anders. Anders also seemed to show regret at his killing of innocents, an evil man would blow up the chantry then go to Burger King not giving a stuff. Then there are his motives; he is basically trying to fight to liberate the magis from the increasely oppressive Templar order, as LeChien put it "He's more or less a well-meaning idiot at (what he thinks, at least) is the end of his rope". Finaly theres Justice: would Anders have done what he had done if he didn't have a spirit of Vengeance liveing in his head? Andy the Black (talk) 00:50, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

For Origins, definately Arl Howe, for obvious reasons. In Awakening, I would say Either Velanna or the Blood mage demon. Velanna killed likely hundreds of innocent(and not so innocent) people for something they didn't do just because she didn't check her facts, and didn't feel any remorse as far as I could tell. Plus, she has a specialization that I find incredibly useless. DA2, Vengeance. Vengeance is 5the part of Anders who will kill every single person involved with the Templars no questions asked, and If Anders wasn't around to keep him in check, he would cause untold havoc and destruction.

I wouldn't say that. Had he possessed anyone else, it probably wouldn't have been a big deal, especially if they weren't a mage. In Awakening, Justice was like a new born child curious of the bright, exciting world around him (though he had his judgemental qirks). He was a really interesting character, I thought. That's the one thing I dislike about the new Anders, we'll probably never see Justice again.

And shit, you're right. I forgot about the Barroness, she was pretty evil. She killed children instead of charging their parents rent.HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 02:57, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'd say the Architect. He has little regard for humanity only working to advance so called peace between darkspawn and the rest of Thedas. However it is a selfish goal considering how much humanity would have to sacrifice for a creature of evil. He would want to submit everyone to the Joining which would kill about 90% of Thedas. Then once about 30 or so years passed those people turn into drooling, corrupt ghouls; shadows of mankind. Also Wardens have such a low chance of conception that there would be few offspring eventually leading to the deaths of the rest of the races in Thedas. Sure there is peace but how can you enjoy a peace where humanity is a shadow of its former self. The Architect is evil because his "peace" is ultimately selfish, he manipulates people for his and his plan's gain, and he has such little regard for humanity, killing those that turn against him whenever they realize his true intentions (*cough Genevieve *cough). Also he did start the 5th Blight..... And it pisses me off I never killed him when I had the chance >:(

Sd4646 (talk) 04:13, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'd say Orsino,think about it .He totally failed his job as Frist Enchanter. 1.Allows even supports Blood Magic. 2.Is the one to blame for Quentin's"research"(resulting in mother's death),as Quentin is crazy for the pain of the lost of someone he loved.But Orsino is well aware of his actions,and helps him. 3.In the end most of Meredith's accusations are true.90% of the Circle turns to Blood Magic as an excuse to retaliate

02:18, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

In DA: O I thought Branka was the worst, killing all those innocent people just for an anvil.. Seriously someone has some unresolved issues. But as a Cousland, Arl Howe, killing your entire family and then boasting about it later in front of your face, nuuh, no way in the Fade!!! I killed him, then I revived him and killed him again b/c 'He wanted more' ;) In DA2, Quentin, for Andraste's sake he killed and patched your mother together D: That was the worst moment for me in DA2. Then again Orsino knew about it, so I should hate him, but then I should hate Gascard as well b/c he could have tracked down your mother just as easily and blah blah. So Branka&Howe and Quentin&Gascard...&Orsino. Oh and Ser Alrik...but no point in hating someone who's dead yes??? ;) SynysterShadows1213 (talk)

Arl Howe was designed to invoke hatred, because with HN origins, it's personal. But then, wiping out a family on your way is what nobles do everywhere in fiction. He's bloody evil, but not on top for me. Orsino explained he didn't know Quentin would go that far, and I believed him. Meredith had a point at first, then was just crazy. Ditto with Quentin. Branka - evil and crazy, but her goal in the end was not entirely selfish. Now, enter Barnard Tethras, who in cold blood, deliberately, with his sanity yet intact leaves his own brother to die because he wants all the riches for himself. He did it to have more money, just that...and that's why he gets my vote. Dorquemada (talk) 07:48, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

There are no real sinners or saints in DA2, by this interpretation. Bartrand, in my opinion, was influenced by the idol from the moment he catches it. Probably because he was pre-disposed to it, and some personalities are weaker than others, but if Hawke had plucked the Golden Helmet of Mandrino off that altar and tossed it to Bartrand, I really doubt that they'd be dealing with a crazy Bartrand and a crazy Meridith two Acts later. Legionnaire Scout *talk* 19:45, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Im surprised no one has mentioned Arlssa Isode yet. She was the most hated character or has she been upstaged?--Ironreaper (talk) 07:53, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Isolde is still one of the most hated imo, but I think who's worse than her is Marjolaine. Well, that's cutting it pretty close they are both debatable. Zathrian was pretty evil, he condemned a bunch of people (many innocent) to a cursed life of murder and pain. I mean I understand you want to get even after someone kills your family, but he condemned everyone, not just those responsible. However he sort of redeemed himself (not fully) by finally lifting the curse at the cost of his life. Perhaps he did it just b/c it was time to move on or maybe perhaps he finally understood what he had done. In my opinion any character who commits a terrible act and does nothing to try and make things right (and only continue to make things worse) those are the Evil ones. Many say Anders is evil b/c he killed a bunch of innocents, but if we defined someone 'evil' as that then there would be no good in the world. Anders at the end will either stand by you with the Templars to try and make things right or he will continue what he started. Either was he tries to redeem himself and I think that makes him a great character...excluding the depressing mood swings and such :) SynysterShadows1213 (talk)

Isolde, although I initially hated her, I understood her motivations. She wanted to save her son, and she was willing to sacrifice her life. The murders the demon did she did not want, but she was frightened by it as much as she was concerned for her son. She was lost. She did not know what to do about the demon. Zathrian, however, was a truely vile character. If you would go in and out of the forest, and speak to him you could catch him in lie after lie after lie. Then you find him in the ruin doing god knows what to those bodies on the ground, perhaps burning them but for what purpose. Truely creepy by the creep. Even his so-called redemption never impressed me much since he was so much overshadowed by the true nobility of the Spirit of the Forest and he was forced anyway as he had no more options left but to die, and dying without the ritual would have condemned his clan forever or so it was understood. As for the possesed Anders, no doubt he woud move on to slaughtering the cat owners since Justice objected to owning cats in Awakenings, and, as he declared to Hawke, "If Jusitce disapproves, It is wrong." --Diosprometheus (talk) 17:42, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

When it comes down to it, I think a truly "evil" human character is actually a totally INSANE human character, that has no morals, and a complete misunderstanding of what is good. If there is some form of misguided good deed going on (like Anders), that isn't evil, that is ignorance. Anders thinks he is helping someone. Evil doesn't help ANYONE. Trust me, I hate Anders to the core, but he isn't EVIL. Meredith, at the very end, is evil, because she is no longer trying to help anyone. Sure, she starts out trying to help, but she is corrupted by the lyrium idol and becomes evil. In the end her cause is merely to kill and destroy, and has no sense of reason.

Branka was a bit insane, and perhaps on her way to evil, but she actually wanted golems to be able to defend the dwarves. This puts her in the same misguided category that I reserve for Anders- The type that can no longer see how much bad they are doing in their quest to do good (maybe the USA's founding fathers will fall into this group, but I don't want to think too much about what my countrymen did centuries ago.)

You will note that I said "truly evil HUMAN character" in the opening sentence. I put the darkspawn and beings like them in with things like locusts. They are a mindless blight upon humanity. Is that evil, or just a purely animal nature? I mean, seriously, are bacteria and viruses evil? The force behind the darkspawn horde is probably quite evil, but the mindless ones are merely drones. It would be like saying Hitler's pen was evil for signing off on the things he did.

So, by my definition, I'd have to go with endgame Meredith, Quentin and The Baroness. All are totally insane and incapable of doing good. If your definition of evil is the despicable person that will do anything to serve their warped ego and sense of good, there are too many characters to name. I truly hate Arl Howe, so I could start my list there. LVTDUDE (talk) 08:29, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I had to edit out Isolde from my last sentence. Unlike Howe, she never really wanted anyone dead. Sure, she would rather others die than her and her family, but she didn't plot and scheme to kill others. She is completely annoying and ignorant, but evil? Nah. I'd still kick her in the head with a crap-covered boot, given half the chance, of course. LVTDUDE (talk) 08:37, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Quentin's the most evil in my opinion. It's one thing to end someone's life, but what he did was just beyond sick. Easily the most disturbing moment of the entire series for me. S13Kuro (talk) 08:34, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I thought the point of Dragon age is that it is a Grey and Grey Morality? There are no true evil villains, merely people with different interpretations of what is the right thing to do. That is what makes it so interesting and complex, as the player is not restricted to a good and evil choice.

Meredith treats mages with contempt and hatred, but her fears are born from tragic past events which embedded the belief of protecting people from mages. And, while it is clear she is harsh and arrogant before, the lyrium sword pushed her actions. She is clearly a person of great conviction to her duty rather then a power hungry bitch, which can be admired even if you dont agree with it. Orsino presented as, and for the most part is, the voice of reason is Kirkwall, yet is a closet blood mage who has sheltered serial killers, albeit unwittingly. The Grand Cleric is kind, reasonable and wise but, in sharp contrast to the Grand Cleric of Fereldan, is also pointed out to be irresponsible, even cowardly, in letting the templars control Kirkwall and not stepping in to control Meredith. All it would take would be to send Meredith to another city and jobs done. Was this cowardice or cunning? We'll never know. Viscount Dumar is a fussy, bureaucratic, idiotic man incapable of dealing with crisis, but really has no power to deal with such crisis and tries to act as best he can. He still remains the only reasonably acting authority figure in Kirkwall.

Branka defiantly lost her sanity to the search for the Anvil, but she has a good point. The Anvil would have proven a valuable tool in the fight against the darkspawn and would likely have saved hundreds of lives. A lot more than the lives Branka murdered. Caradin also had a good point in how power will only be used by the few who control it for selfish purposes, but such a problem is faced in every new advancement in society. Should we stop progress because it may send society in the wrong path? The industrial age brought child labour, pollution and worker mistreatment, but it also paved the way for the technology we have now. And is it not self-defeating to stop technological progress because if something can be made, then someone, someday will be able to make it again? The Anvil my not be the best example as it was more found then made but given a few hundred years with the shards i suspect the dwarves would have found something.

Arl Howe is a bastard with little to no redeeming qualities. But there are indications he is a product of his environment. His family is described as a hostile one. His father supported the Orlesians, so when Howe was young he was not only brave enough to change sides to the rebellion, but likely faced adversity from lords due to his father’s stance. He was decried as a good man in the rebellion, but it is indicated after a major lost, the traumatised Howe was changed forever. Maybe seeing death on such a scale left him emotionally and mentally damaged driving him insane, maybe the shame made him shed his honour and he lost himself in a heinous, selfish life that grew in time. Maybe (going a bit off the charts here) he was in fact an Orlesian spy who was responsible for the lost at the Battle of White River. And after Maric won he was stuck in the country with a fraction of the power the Orlesians promised him. No wonder he is pissed off. So he would do anything to gain the power he was promised and even destroy the economy of the country so the Orlesians can invade and grant him power in exchange.

Quentin wishes to bring his wife back to life. Ok he is nuts but at least he had good intentions. Of course it is not so much resurection as cutting people up and putting them together, but think of the possiblities! The limb transplant in the Dark Ages! They are already ahead of us. At least his villiany was born of a tragic reason, his obsession with drove him mad.

I could go on.--Ironreaper (talk) 16:05, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I must say you have made a very good and well thought out, keen and intriguing if not dazzling commentary. Veerry good indeed.--Diosprometheus (talk) 17:17, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

There is no way to reason Quentin out of it, that dude was cukfed in the head. S13Kuro (talk) 17:20, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

I have to say, I dont think there are any really, truly evil characters. Even those like Meredith, who seem evil and insane, had good reasons when they started. (also, Meredith wouldnt be so tough without her lyrium sword) Wasn't it Meredith who had her whole village destroyed by an abomination when she was a little girl? That sort of thing would mess anyone up.

As other users have said, Quentin was trying to bring his wife back to life ... so love causes his evil deeds.

Anders is just trying to, in his own misquided way, break the stalemate between mages and templars, and overall speed up the end of the oppression. To quote the famous line, "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". To a non-mage, Anders seems like a terrorist, but to the hundreds of children locked up in towers and guarded by big, grumpy people with swords who will kill you if you do anything wrong, due to an accident, a rogue gene, that gave them magical abilities, Anders would be seen as a HERO, for standing up to what he knows to be wrong.

Arl Howe is actually just playing by the standards of his time. At the same time period, assassinations and political coups of the kind he played on the HN's family would have likely been commonplace. If the Warden wasnt HN, Howe doesnt seem as evil as he does if you were HN. Also, if you look at dwarven politics at the same time, even while their own father is dying on the throne, Bhelen, Trian and probably DN were all politically scheming to kill and overthrow each other. Having said this, I consider Arl Howe to be the most evil character in Dragon Age.

As others have said, darkspawn etc. cannot be considered evil by the same standards as humans, elves, dwarves, qunari etc. can. it is IN THEIR NATURE to kill, ravage, and Blight-ify things. User:Eggy2504 18:41, 20 August, 2011

As I recall, Meredith's younger sister was a mage who lived outside the circle. One day she turned into a stark raving abomination and killed the entire family except for Meredith and then ran into the streets killing the villagers. I believe it was somewhere around 60 dead before the slaughter ended. After that tragedy, Meredith was forever fearful of magic, mages and abominations. She believed with proper justification and existentially that mages and magic were dangereous, and needed to be watched over. If you get to know her, which is not easy, you will find the woman has great anguish in her heart and anguishes about what she thinks she must do. She is committed to her beliefs as much as the possessed Anders is committed to destroying the Chantry, the Templars, and Circle in his misguided attempts to remake Thedas "with no Circle, no Templars." The red lyrium turned her into the thing she most feared in life, her murderous sister. Whether she was aware of what she had become is another matter.--Diosprometheus (talk) 18:10, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Meredith had her epiphany during The Last Straw battle that what she was doing could be madness, but instantly the epiphany gets ignored and she goes back to her extremely insane self. (VicGeorge2K9 (talk) 20:09, August 23, 2011 (UTC))

I dunno about you ppl, but for me, greatest villain in DA is Mike Laidlaw! Maybe you've heard of him, maybe you haven't, but legend goes that even Corypheus was powerless against him. That artifact that drove Meredith crazy was just a stone twisted by a drop of Laidlaw's blood!--Markurion (talk) 19:08, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

the great power of Laidlaw is nothing compared to the greastest power in the world and galaxy. A being so great he transends good and evil. There is only . . . . . Chuck Norris!--Ironreaper (talk) 01:41, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Truly nobodies evil because it's all perspective "good & evil" are just viewpoints so nobody is the evilest - Unknown

The only "evil" character I can think of in the series is Howe, he is the only one with "evil" in his heart. All the other villains, terrorists, etc...are just morons or idiots who wouldn't know any better.174.45.9.40 (talk) 23:36, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

A few people have mentioned him already, but in the process of disseminating everyone's motivations and redeeming qualities, Danarius seems to have been forgotten. I'd have to say he takes the cake for being evil among the major to semi-major characters. I see no way that owning slaves can be justified. Castillon is pretty bad as well, since he actually buys and sells people in his profession as a slave trader. Kahmal (talk) 01:13, August 21, 2011 (UTC)Kahmal

I would have to agree that although there are many crazy loonies out there but most of them had no mental capacity to understand that what they were doing was truly insane. The only person that I think completely understood their actions and truly seemed evil was Arl Howe. I always found it gratifying to slice his throat. I shouldn't rejoice in someone's death but it was very satisfying. Sir Alrik and Quintin are close behind with Branka taking the fourth spot. Mother Patrice and Isolde has definitely won the most annoying character prize however.--Fantasyeve87 02:28, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Oh dear Maker. There are a few characters that I would love to stab in the eye with a rusty nail. 1)Arl Howe - Backstabbing Bastard!!!! He played as a family friend for years only to turn around and kill your whole family so he could over taken Highever Castle. Thank the maker I was able to find him and shove my mages staff right up his Ass!!! 2)Teryn Loghain - He betrayed King Calian and then turned and blamed the Grey Wardens for it. He just wanted to save his ass so he could be king. Thankfully Alistair put him in his place. 3)Meredith - When Hawke killed the Arishok(sp?) and the look she gave him/her and Hawke said it was over. God I wanted to slap her! Plus the way she treated all mages was just wrong. You don't punish all of them for the acts of just one mage. 4)Isolde - She was selfish in hiding her sons magic. I can understand why she did it but it is something that she shouldn't have done. Her son caused all the demons and shit to happen in Redcliff and yet she tried to blame Jowain. She never once took blame for the problems she caused. Plus I can't stand her damn voice. Emmalee (talk) 04:00, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Isolde didnt cause it. She was trying to look after her only son, and care for him, rather than sending him off to some horrible prison tower because he was unlucky enough to be born with magic. Sure, she blamed Jowan, but she didnt understand what was going on really, did she? She wasnt to know some demon had possessed her son. Besides, who would you blame? Your only child, who you care about enough to sacrifice yourself so the demon can be gotten rid of, or a rogue mage who you know nothing about, and has run away from the Circle after destroying his phylactery? Connor wasnt evil either, he summoned the demon to try to save Arl Eamon's life. User:Eggy2504 12:02, 21 August, 2011

I would say Flemeth was pretty damn Evil...JoshofBlades (talk) 11:31, August 21, 2011 (UTC)JoshofBlades

I just read the first post and I have to ask: since when is Vlad a villain? Anyway, I think... Arl Howe. Prismvg (talk) 12:17, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

I don't really think anyone is truly evil in Dragon Age, well except from the darkspawn and the archdemon. Anders is misguided, remember he is now techally an abomination, he took in Justice, thinking he was helping his friend but his hatred towards the templers corrupted Justice into Vengance and that is what is driven him to do what he did, Anders knows what he did was wrong and he feels the guilt of his actions, something a person who is truly evil wouldn't feel. Loghain became paranoid by his fear of the Oriasians trying to invade Fereldan and take it back, that fear drove him mad and made him to abandon Calian and the Grey Wardens at Ostagar. Meredith at first thought she was doing what she thought was right, but with her past and the idol she became mad. Orsino? He became mad when he saw so many mages under his care, die. Isolde, she's just like any typical noble if you sterotype them. I would guess Arl Howl has some evil traits but he's not truly evil as there is many things you wouldn't know about his past, but I say he got corrupted by his own greed. Quentin's actions was result by the death of his wife, his grief and inability to let go of her and move on caused him to become mad and Flemeth is still a mystery... so we can't assume to much on her. --Xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 21:14, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Since every antagonist either has tragic reasons, is a darkspawn or is insane/psychologically paranoid, I'll go with the rare exception to these rules, Arl Howe; all Howe wanted was power and he killed his friend's family and house for it, not to mention all the torturing/slaving/stealing he was doing in Denerim, if only he were a little stronger and had a few more lines... - King Mattitude24 (talk)

In DA:O, I'd have to go with either Arl Howe or Baelen. Howe doesn't just take out the noble family, he tortures and mutilates countless people in his dungeon (you rescue one of them). The guy has bodies hanging from the ceiling and piled on the floor. And he enjoys doing it. His "experiments" is what the noble you rescue calls them. Baelen kills his eldest brother and sets up his younger brother to take the fall, then tries to kill his competition to the throne when he's not accepted universally after his father's death. Talk about a major temper tantrum.

In DA2, Ser Alrik is probably top of the list, though I'd have to say Denarius is also very close. Both of them are sadists who take pleasure in showing others just how powerless they are. There's really no reason behind what they do, they just do it because they enjoy causing pain.Devilkat (talk) 03:07, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

I'll never understand people's obsession with having as much grey as possible. They don't understand that it's possible to have too much grey. When that happens and there is no black or white for the grey to compare to, nobody is really anything and nobody stands out as truly heroic or truly evil. Or even anything at all. Because it all just blends together into an uninteresting mess. 72.44.1.105 (talk) 14:44, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

The Witcher disagrees. Quirkynature (talk) 14:59, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Howe, Alrik and Danarius, definitely. None of them seem to have any redeeming qualities whatsoever (Howe only wants power regardless of what he has to do to get it, Alrik only wants to turn mages into tranquil so he can use them as (sex) slaves, and Danarius...well, keeps slaves and treat them like crap to boot). But while Quentin does have a sort-of excuse, I'd probably hate him just as much as Howe and Danarius if he was real; what happened to him was tragic, but I'd never forgive him for killing my mother and who knows how many other women. Matt-256 (talk) 16:50, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Loghain Mac Tir and, to a lesser extent, his affiliates. Yes, he did most of what he did partly out of patriotism, but he was also a arrogant, paranoid psychopath. He killed the regent, plunged Ferelden into a senseless civil war that killed who knows how many (psychopathy), truly thought that no one was fit to lead the country through the Blight than him (arrogance), and turned away deeply-needed help simply out of fear and old hatred (paranoia). In addition, he willingly worked alongside people like Howe (albeit reluctantly) and truly believed in his little Anora ("And she seemed like such a nice despot"). Yes, he may have some redeeming qualities, but they are minute compared to what he did and what he was like.--24.19.61.212 (talk) 02:18, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Loghain from what I know of him, but I wouldn't call him evil quite...Quentin, I hate. Ser Alrik is probably the only truly evil character that has no shades of grey that we saw. Oh and Danarius. Disgusting pig. I think we can all agree that Howe, Alrik, Bhelen, Branka, and Danarius were purely out for their own gain and would do anything they had to to get what they wanted.Xelestial (talk) 02:57, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I'm laughing at those who actually cared about how George Washington made America more powerful. There is always a winner in war, sometimes a stalemate occurs, but the more powerful will always strike one last time.--Only the faithless wil perish, but those without cannot be punished. (talk) 03:06, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

You are so cool. LVTDUDE (talk) 03:49, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

No, Xelest! Bhelen wasn't utterly evil! He simply saw what fat, blind aristocrats refused to even think about. That the whole caste system was wrong and stupid. Bhelen was in love with one casteless girl and tried to help her. His brother Trian often spoken about her as "branded whore". Bhelen wasn't evil. He simply considered others to be too weak for changes in dwarven society that will happen sooner or later. Branka was too ambitious, not evil! Kinda Evil she became when she spent ,among rotting corpses and stench of Deep roads, 2 years. The other 3 were utterly EVIL and should be killed on sight! :D--Markurion (talk) 04:03, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Bhelen killed his own brother and blamed it on his other sibling in order to get where he was. I played the Dwarf noble origin and utterly hated him after that. He does good things I suppose but he doesn't appear to care about anyone who stands between him and his goals. Branka I don't understand enough but she never seemed all that good to begin with. Xelestial (talk) 01:25, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we know enough about any of the characters to be able to claim any of them are genuinely evil. We only ever see a small part of their life, often without any knowledge of the motivation for their actions or the events that led to us finding them in the situation that we do, so claiming any of the NPCs are evil requires a lot of assumptions on our part. The only characters that we can fairly claim to potentially be evil are Hawke and the Warden because we decide their motivations. Violet Rogue (talk) 15:52, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

We know that despite their motivations, their actions were what we considered evil. Xelestial (talk) 01:25, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

"The measure of an individual can be difficult to discern by actions alone" a quote from another Bioware game. Think of all the actions the Warden could have done (Murdering an innocent tribe, killing an unarmed priest, disurcrating a holy object, massacuring the entire population of the Circle tower, the list goes on). If we did not know the motivation to stop the Blight them we would condem the Warden as evil based on what you could have done.--Ironreaper (talk) 05:35, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

I guess the idea of a truly heroic, honorable hero isn't as popular anymore, Quirky, thanks to people like you who are obsessed with filling everything with as much grey as possible and having only antiheroes. 72.44.1.105 (talk) 17:41, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I think Kelder, you know the guy who murdered and most likely raped a bunch of children. He may be mentaly deffective, but his actions were still very, very evil. MarcoDelMarco (talk) 17:49, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ser Alrik is definitely Scumbag City with his "Tranquil Solution" and trying to mind-rape young mage girls for his pleasure. (VicGeorge2K9 (talk) 20:22, August 23, 2011 (UTC))

PETRICE!!!!!!!! i hated that bitch soooooooooo muchDalish archer (talk) 02:04, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Kelder was clearly metntally ill so in a different characters I'm more annoyed at his dad who refused to acknowledge he needed help and locking away so he couldn't hurt people . Petrice is a bitch but more fanatic than evil - she's more like Meredith than Sir Alrick.

Arl fucking Howe. I hate him with an undyinf passion, everything he says or does makes me want to kill him. Tim Curry should be very proud of his performance. (175.39.32.147 (talk) 10:10, August 24, 2011 (UTC))

Meredith she abused mages at every opportunity with executions, making disobedient mages tranquil,tried to rule kirkwall like a dictator, intimidated families of mages, attempting to exterminate all the cirle mages because of Anders' actions (which are quite frankly understandable considering everything)--Gboy4 (talk) 11:10, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

By the time I reach Meredith in the final fight, I could care little if everything she did was to atone for her family's misdeed of not turning Meredith's sister over to the Circle...she's gone so far off the deep end, the only mercy that can be shown to her is that she never hurts anyone else again. Apart from that, though, it was fun to have her battle my modded-in player companion version of herself, who "plays very nicely" with my other modded-in companion Orsino. (VicGeorge2K9 (talk) 11:34, August 24, 2011 (UTC))

If you cross off all the bloodmages, who I think are mostly crazy by definition (of which there was a disproportionate number in Kirkwall!), then cross off the garden variety psychos, pick from the rotten people who were not living on top of a Hell Mouth (which we find out in Legends is ALL of Kirkwall), then whoever is left who is not under the influence of Red Kyptonite Lyrium or fade demons or spirits is the pool of true evil to pick from. Arl Rendon Howe tops that list. He betrays a friend of 20+ years, slaughters everyone in Highever and in doing so fails to report with his army at Ostagar where he knows his buddy Loghain Mac Tyr is going to be leaving the king high and dry on the battlefield. He hitches his bloody wagon to Loghain's regicide powerplay with not a single demon or speck of corrupted lyrium in sight to influence him. Why? "I deserved more." That, my dears, is evil. Legionnaire Scout *talk* 19:45, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

What about Qunari? They offer only illusion of happiness and slaughters everyone, who disagrees with them. They treat free will and doubts as crimes and sins, that's simply a tyranny. Arishok destroyed Kirkwall just to find his koran, I killed him even after Isa's return, not for her, but to show that nobody gets unpunished and to show ox-men that humans are not weak as they think. They are the most advanced race technologically, but their actions are contraditions to this, they kill with no hestitation and destroy foreign culture like Tevinter or the Chantry. Still I think Tevinter magisters are the most evil. They have legal slavery, they sexually abuse thier slaves and sacrifaces them for bloody rituals. They regret nothing and are nothing but scums. 1st elven land and culture was destroyed by them. I know chantry did something similar, but don't forget who did it first and they unlike Chantry enslaved them. Another good, but sounding like a propagada point is fact that they created Darkspawns, researching Corypheus' corpse confirmed it. He said that the City was corrupted earlier, but it doeasn't change fact that Magisters killed so many slaves to enter the city and they turned into dirst DS, they created those monsters.

Petrice. ----Isolationistmagi 01:28, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Meredith. If not evil, she is definitely the most wacko of anyone I have ever had to deal with. _{Marauder 09} ^{I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang.} 04:12, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

I'd say Rob, his lack of compassion and desire for power make him a fine choice as the "most evil" character.--R0B45 (talk) 07:12, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Just a minor character, but I'm going to have to nominate Caladrius (the Magister slaving in the Denerim Alienage). Tricks the elves he is treating them for a plague, then kidnaps and enslaves them in a brutal fashion. Has his guards kill meddlers on sight. Uses blood magic. When cornered by the Warden first offers to sell out his employer for his miserable life. When he loses the fight, he then offers to sacrifice his prisoners to the person trying to free them (and for only +1 constitution). Doesn't consider the slaves as anything more than business. Basically, the most depraved and unapologetic slaver scum we ever see. I got a warm and fuzzy feeling when killing him, especially as a city elf. As a bonus, unlike many of the characters on this list, he doesn't have the excuse of being batshit insane. TheTeaMustFlow (talk) 09:05, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

And I kill Caladrius as an elf city or dalish, because I can't let him enslave "my kind". In real life I hate all slvers, its because my ancestors were slaves.

The most evil ones are the ones we know nothing about. Caladrius, for example. Otherwise, since this is still DA and even the heroes of the Blights are being referred to as being neither black nor white but something in between, I cannot honestly think of one true evil. The Mother? I think of Hespith, but it`s their nature still. The only character with the potential of pure evil is the Warden him/herself. Just think of what he could do if he wished to. --Swoopy (talk) 09:19, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Duncan, because he forces my Hero to become Warden even if I don't want that. In every Origin, sometimes it feels even ridiculus - like when you play human noble and do everything to refuse, he basically condemns your hero to death from start of the game, like it or not and I never get to kill him myself, others tell me he's a hero when I see him as a villan. As for other bad guys, at least the game allows me to beat them or blame if they're bad. Besides, they're meant to be bad and they are. I find most evil in one who evil in my opinion yet seems good to majority.

--Astenan (talk) 15:31, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

My Warden. --188.67.216.103 (talk) 17:44, June 9, 2012 (UTC)Jak Darckner

Hmmm, maybe every one of my characters I make. All hail Darkside! 203.45.127.20 (talk) 00:43, June 12, 2012 (UTC)