So, yeah, another thread about who do you prefer... not.

I was thinking about this for a while, now.

Do you think it is possible for a mage to be kept under wraps his or her whole life, and then for that said mage to infiltrate the templar order? Like, an apostate turns 15, and his parents get killed. He doesn't use his magic, so people don't know he's a mage. (BTW, it's not possible to test if one's a mage, is it?) He is sent off to Chantry where he studies to become a templar, like Alistair did. And so then he becomes a templar.

Assuming he wouldn't be compromised by then, what would happen if they gave him lyrium? Would he be unable to control his spells and thus would be known to be a mage? Or would the lyrium dosing kill him?

Also, since we're on that, why isn't there any city elves templars or naturally resistent to magic surface dwarves templars? :P Henio0 (talk) 21:58, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

I've always found this an intriguing notion myself. However, as far as I'm aware mages always exhibit some kind of magical ability in their youth, which is how they're discovered. However, if their parents were apostates and taught them how to control their magic, then I'd say that it would indeed be possible for them to infiltrate the templars if they could keep a very tight control on their spells. You make a good point about potential lyrium problems though. I'd say that doping mages with the same amount of lyrium that templars are given would have effects that I wouldn't like to guess at.

On the issue of elves and dwarves, I think that while elves aren't explicitly banned from serving the Chantry, they are shunned. And while dwarves are resistant to magic, they're also resistant to lyrium and its effects which pretty much rules a career with the templars out (not to mention that even on the surface there are probably scarce few dwarves who follow the Chantry's teachings). King Cousland | Talk   22:24, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Well, the surface dwarves do use the Chantry for marriages, etc.: the Casteless shopkeeper in the DC origin will tell FemBrosca and Leske that if you go to the surface there is no discrimination and the Chantry will let you marry. 4Ferelden (talk) 09:26, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

It is possible for a mage to hide their powers for Templar training, but mages can't even approach unprocessed lyrium without suffering effects, so ingesting it could have some serious side-effects. That said, if the side-effects were the same as those that afflict other Templars, only more virulent and rapid-onset, I suppose they could still pass themselves off, though it might not be a good idea. And lyrium aside, dwarves wouldn't be allowed to train as Templars anyway, for the same reason as elves - the Chantry is racist. You've never seen an elven Sister, much less a Holy Mother, for that exact reason. Really, it's not even that the Chantry itself has to be racist, but the people they preach to are: back in the 1950's, white people weren't going to go to a church with a black preacher, and for the same reason humans aren't going to go to a service led by a dwarf or an elf. Templars are supposed to be figures that inspire respect and awe (and thus cooperation) from the people, so elves and dwarves aren't allowed. --UrLeingod (talk) 20:07, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, but consider this, what if all Templars are just Mages raised by the Chantry and selected for their fanatical devotion and forced addiction to Lyrium? Could a Templar then awaken to Mage powers after not knowing it? 97.101.106.71 (talk) 22:12, July 31, 2012 (UTC)Konous

That would be an interesting concept, but Alistair didn't show any sign of being a mage, and wasn't raised in the Chantry, yet was perfectly qualified for Templar training. Besides which, if they were mages, the lyrium they consume would likely just make them physically ill, or at least make the normal side-effects more virulent. --UrLeingod (talk) 00:32, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose a mage could get by as a templar. I mean you dont need lyrium to use templar talents. So it would be possible for a magic-user to be a templar, just as long as they dont use magic or use lyrium they will be fine. 203.45.127.20 (talk) 00:45, August 1, 2012 (UTC)Darkside

I highly doubt it. Templar's seem to take people in while fairly young, young enough that a mage would not be in full control of their power all the time, a slip and discovery will happen at some point. Additionaly the talents of Templars affect only mages, thus the risk of such talents affecting the, lets call them mole, mole during pratice or teaching are rather high and will send up a few red flags. Mages react differently than normal people to certain stimuli, lyrium being the best example, which would also make any deception almost impossible to maintain. I don't know if there is a test you can perform to tell if one is mageblood or not, but the signs are there and you are in the middle of a group trained to look for these signs within and without. I admit it could be "possible", but it is so unlikely I do not reasonably consider it. --110.32.170.225 (talk) 01:31, August 1, 2012 (UTC)