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I'm playing as a Amell in DA:O and my character regrets not being able to help Jowan enough. Fast forward to curing Emmon with the ashes. Now he allows us to have the final decision for Jowan. So my question what is the best option I mean its either kill him, let him run away or have him return to the circle of magi. I don't know what to do to him I mean if we do send him to the circle will he be respected for defeating the desire demon, hated for using blood magic or will he be turned tranquill. While if yous let him run he may be caught and the only reason he poisoned Emmon is because he wished to return to the circle. So I need some help in deciding the best option.

Also I'm playing on the PS3 so I can't install any mods.

Running away is just an escape from consequences, destroying the desire demon is an act of redemption. Better to die redeemed than live in shame. (talk) 09:19, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'm gonna have to call bull on that one. In the eyes of the Maker (assuming he/it exists) you may have a point, but I personally would rather say "Shit, sorry guys I dropped the ball on that one" and move on from there. Dying is definitely not a healthy alternative to shame.Arkangel37 (talk) 23:59, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
Better to die than live in shame, that's a low quality of life. Dead have no more problems and no more worries, only dead don't make mistakes. (talk) 07:18, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

He can only run if you tell him to run and don't come back right away when you first find him in the cell. After that, Eamon and Teagan won't just let him run. So it is either death or the circle. If he killed the desire demon then that would count as a Harrowing. The Chantry isn't supposed to make a mage tranquil after a Harrowing because the Harrowing proves that a mage can resist a demon's manipulation. Of course, that doesn't mean they won't traquilize or kill him anyway. But from the sound of things, it seems that Jowan would be allowed back to the Circle and then just heavily watched. I mean, how can the templars be mad at Jowan when they allowed Uldred to screw things up so badly? Or you could just use "head canon" and think to yourself that your Warden invoked the Right of Conscription. Believe it! (talk) 14:52, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Templars didn't allow Uldred screw everything, they let him, because they weren't careful enough, as Gregoir said his soldiers were ready for few abominations and demons, but not an army. Before Jowan escaped the circle, there was an investigation against Jowan led by Gregoir and Irving, they collected evidences they he practiced blood magic, that was his crime. Jowan admitted teh warden as his coulage that he studied blood magic because he was jealous of his coulage's talents. Nobody forced him to anything, it was his choice. Lily was sent to a prison for wizards, Jowan could also be sent there.

There is a plot hole. Why didn't Irving take Jowan from Redcliffe and instead he let Teagan arrest him? Asking Warden for advise about Jowan's punishment should have been asked by Irving or Greagoir instead of Eamon. (talk) 15:06, September 26, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

I assume that's because they needed a cutscene that worked in all 3 options: calling in Irving, doing the blood ritual, or killing Connor. Irving was only present in the first option. Besides, I assume by that time Teagan valued the Warden's opinion more than that of the Knight-Commander and First Enchanter who let him get away in the first place.—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
It's still a plothole. Teagan ALWAYS disagrees with freeing Jowan, he wasn't very first apostate, who escaped thos 2 circle authorities, that has nothing to do with Teagan's valuing opinions. (talk) 17:15, September 29, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer
I think it's because for Irving and Greagor, what to do with Jowan would never be in question - he would automatically be treated as any other apostate would. I don't think Irving can ask for Jowan to be sent back, as Senior Enchanters have no authority outside of the Circles. He would only be able to say that they should wait for the templars to arrive. I think the only reason Eamon/Teagan ask for the Warden's opinion is because of Jowan's connection to Loghain. Simply executing Jowan, for example, would remove a source of evidence against Loghain that they might need later. -Sophia (talk) 18:06, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
But nobody uses Jowan as a witness against Loghain, he can be executed for Eamon's order. A templar, who trucked Jowan, was captured by Loghain and its Irminric's testimony used optionally against Loghain. I simply find Irving and Gregoir's not arresting Jowan after Arl of Redcliffe as a plothole and I won't change my mind quickly. (talk) 18:23, September 29, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

Surely Jowan is one of agents of chaos. VanDaen (talk) 21:18, September 29, 2013