Forum:Is anyone a little sad on the choices of women that a male can be with?....

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Is anyone sad about the women that a male character can be with in the 3rd dragon age game?.... I was hopping for a little better selection in this game.

i'm very sad,the prettiest girl in the game is sera and she's lesbian,and what makes me angry is the fact that cassandra was very pretty in DA2,now she looks like a men with makeup.

You guys should sign your post after you write something, if nothing else it's just polite. Looking at this picture ( ) and judging her from my own preferences I like the way Cassandra looks and I look forward to romancing her in one of my playthroughs. Though it isn't the fact that the women are "unattractive", my issue with the romances is how little I believe the men are getting. I, unlike many people it seems from a different forum post, don't think we're getting Vivienne as a romance option and I think we're going to be stuck with a ratio of 5 men to 3 women for this game. My assumption is based on the Raptr Q&A and how it was said that the romances won't be completely even. I think it's really limiting to have only 3 women for this game, especially after they claimed to have, "the most romances in a Bioware game". On top of that men only get one companion who is romanceable as opposed to getting two in both of the last games. Albeit we do get an Advisor who is just like a companion, but still it doesn't feel right. It feels though that women are being pandered more and I find this very, well, unfair. I'm not asking to have it be like Mass Effect, namely 3 where broshep can get pretty much every single person on the Normandy in bed, but perhaps something a little more even. B.S.S.T. (talk) 05:35, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

It's unfair that women are being pandered to? Really? In the world of video games, heterosexual males are overwhelmingly the group that developers cater to. No one complains about that, but when women or other minority groups get anything that's just for them, it's suddenly "unfair." Funny that so many guys didn't think the scarcity of females in Inquisition was a bad thing until they suddenly realized their romance choices were limited. People who want to play heterosexual female Inquisitors are getting some good choices, people who want to play homosexual male or lesbian female Inquisitors are also getting some good choices. There are still 3 more romances that have yet to be announced. I fail to see how any of this is unfair. --Kelcat (talk) 05:47, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

You miss understand me. I vie for equality. Women's as equally as men's. No one should be pandered to. Everyone should get a fair deal. Homosexual men and women are getting AMAZING choices as are heterosexual women. Iron Bull looks to be a very complex and interesting romance, but can the same be said for Josephine? Perhaps it is too early to tell, but it feels more and more that heterosexual men are getting the shaft in this game. I absolutely abhorred the fact that heterosexual women got the shaft in ME3, but two wrongs don't make a right. Just because one minority group gets the shaft doesn't mean another should. As for the scarcity of females in this game, that didn't strike my fancy either. I like having women in games, I'd much prefer them to men, but such is not the way of developers and if it is it is usually for fanservice and pandering, which is something that happens far too often for my likes. Also there are only 2 romances options left to be announced as of July 21st 2014 B.S.S.T. (talk) 06:11, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

I agree that two wrongs don't always make a right, but y'all are complaining about how unfair the romance balance is, but we don't know yet all the romances. I forgot there were only 2 left, but my point is twofold: male gamers may not be getting the shaft, it might just be possible that at least one of the two remaining is female and either heterosexual or bisexual. Secondly, your comment comes off as if you are either blaming female gamers or the developers who believe female characters get equal representation. To see a member of a majority group outright cry foul because minorities are getting a little love is something female gamers constantly have to deal with. Constantly. Male gamers are not and never will be a minority group in gaming. So this is not a case of one minority group winning over another. When female gamers get things in games that appeal greatly to them but not to males, the words "pandering" and "fan service" get tossed out like they're vulgarities. When male gamers get things that appeal greatly to them but not to women, there are no accusations of pandering or fan service. Just guys shouting "Get over it!" And that's the nice phrase they yell many others are too vulgar for me to print. I'm not accusing anyone specific here, but I feel it's important to remind males that women have been getting the short end of the stick for decades, and have been ridiculed and insulted and told to get out of gaming altogether. So when I see a game that's geared even the slightest bit towards me and my gender, it makes me feel fantastic. And it makes me sad and frustrated to see so many guys on these forums degrade and belittle the female characters in the game, and then belittle the female gamers by insinuating that it's our fault that theyre not getting what they want (fan service is again used as a derogatory term to say that a group of people spoke up loudly enough to be represented). Be patient, and if it turns out that in the end there is only one female character who can be romanced by male PCs I will absolutely agree that that isn't right either. But until we know all of the romances for certain, it would be lovely if the accusations that female gamers are being pandered to could just stop. We get sand kicked in our faces enough as it is. --Kelcat (talk) 06:52, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

That was powerful! Thank you for saying everything that i feel about gaming :) besides we know quite a bit about Bull but we dont know much about josephine so we shouldnt really compare the romances till we acctually play themFaye Cousland (talk) 14:14, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

No one is really being pandered to here. Even though they haven't announced the last two romance options yet currently the number of romances per gender and sexuality is totally even. Gay guy? Two romance options. Lesbian? Two romance options. Straight girl? Two romance options. Straight guy? Two romance options (the obvious exception is being who are bi/pan, but with either gender we get four). Yes the party itself is uneven gender wise, but not the romance options themselves. Also, I hate it when people get mad at developers when they "can't" romance a character because of that character's sexuality. Aside from the fact that you can always play as another gender, I like some amount of realism in my games, and that is TOTALLY realistic. Just because I am bi and find a woman attractive doesn't mean she will be into chicks, so why can't it be the same in DA? Ookahi (talk) 14:08, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Oh goodie, this topic again, let me get my popcorn! :D [1] RShepard227 (talk) 06:18, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Ugh, not this again. To the OP: You don't think Josephine is pretty? Or are you only talking about companions, not advisors? Cassandra wore more makeup than a birthday cake in DA2. That seems a bit silly for a warrior. The scars and messy hair in DAI make her more attractive to me, but what do I know? I'm a heterosexual female. Personally, I'm happy Inquisition has a broad range of love interests. It should make replays that much more entertaining. If it makes you feel better, I've never been a Cullenite, so if I really cared about romancing only heterosexual males (that we know of so far), I'd be SOL. --Death by Cheese (talk) 06:23, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Varric aside, I think the companions are pretty terrible across the board, and that's not even factoring in the romance element. There is honestly not a single one that I am truly excited to find out about, although there are several I will most likely kill off at the first opportunity because I just know they will irk me. All I'm hoping for is that the gameplay is decent and that the main plot is reasonably engaging.--Darkly Tranquil (talk) 08:07, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

I'm genuinely curious: What characteristics of the DAI companions don't you like, and what sorts of characters were you interesting in seeing? Really, no snark intended. Honest questions. I've seen people say basically what you wrote, and while a few of the companions/advisors don't really grab me right now, I'm waiting to see what the characters will be like under my actual leadership, not just in demo mode. --Death by Cheese (talk) 08:19, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Its a tricky thing to explain. I'll put it this way; my favourite characters in DA are Alistair, Oghren, Sten, Anders (Awakening version), Merill, Isabela, and (of course) Varric. So mostly I like the humourous and charming/witty characters. The companions in Inquisition all seem like a bunch of dour sourpusses. Just because the world is ending doesn't mean you need to be a grump about it. I also feel that Iron Bull aside, none of them look particularly unique or interesting in terms of appearance. There's just nothing much about any of them that leaps out at you and says, "I'm a cool character". They just seem...bland.--Darkly Tranquil (talk) 13:57, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

I'm also not that exicted about the companions. Many of them seem boring and repetitive to me. Blackwall, Solas and Dorian just don't seem appealing or that original, Cassandra seems too similar to Avaline, I doubt Varric will be as fun/relevant in this game, since he seems too connected to Kirkwall. I miss a cute/adorkable character like Alistair, Carver or Merrill, or someone fun and tempting like Isabela. 94.215.23.200 (talk) 08:58, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Somebody, pass me the popcorn. Have we become that judgemental as fans of RPGs or have we always been? "Cassandra looks like a man*" - Wow, seriously? Don't know if you're living in the real world but some women could find that offensive y'know. Sorry that she doesn't have that perfect facial structure that caters to our dreams, of which don't exist in reality. Yes, there are pretty women in life, but thing here: pretty is subjective. I understand, some may find her really unattractive, but i personally think it's about time that more women of different styles were taken. Heck, I'm angry at BioWare for not including an obese companion! Here's hoping that an NPC is. 09:16, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Well this is funny, there aren't fat NPC's in DA2, in DA:O the only few that I remember were Jonathan and Martha Kent when they find the little Clark XD. Turuzzusapatuttu (talk) 12:08, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

There was Lloyd, "Skinny Frank" during the False Witness quest, and the cook at Eamon's Denerim estate was obese. Oh, and some of the merchants were fat in Amaranthine. I think that about covers all the heavyset folks of Dragon Age. I'm surprised there weren't any heavy nobles. That's kind of who I'd expect to be on the fluffy side in Thedas. The common folk don't seem to have access to much food and are constantly running from darkspawn and fireballs. ;) --Death by Cheese (talk) 12:27, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Seriously? Are you kidding me? What is all that "Oh, all the companions are soooo ugly!"-whining about? Hell, heterosexual females only have ONE decent aka good looking choice as of yet, and you're whining about Josephine and Cassandra being ugly. I don't get it. They're both pretty in their own right. Whilst the Iron Bull is not what I would call PRETTY and he surely isn't everyones cup of tea. Yeah, he's interesting and looks like he will be fun, but PRETTY? Cassandra is attractive to me (okay, what do I know, I'm a woman), and - more important than that - she looks authentic. She's a warrior, long flowing hair would only get in her way. I don't want to see a second ME3-Ashley, that was just ridiculous. Cassandra is pretty, just not "America's Next Topmodel"-breathtaking-beautiful - but so she's believelabe in her role as warrior/right hand of the devine/hero of Orlais/seeker. What do you expect from a female warrior? I mean, AVELINE was masculine (but she was a good character anyway!), but Cassandra? Maybe a little tomboyish, but so is Sera. And Josephine is just not the average middle-european beauty - she's a mediterranean beauty. She's not a companion, yes, but Cullen also is not - and he's the only handsome LI for heterosexual females yet announced. The Iron Bull, I repeat, is NOT what I would call "handsome", he's too alien. Plus, you males got the most attractive male TOO atop of that. Yeah, Dorian isn't for male heterosexual players who want to play male heterosexuell Inquisitors, but you're whining about Sera being a lesbian. We females could cry about Dorian being gay too, but I'm above of that, really. If I want to romance Dorian, I create a male Inquisitor for him. And I would recommanded you to do the same, just vice versa, for Sera. Well, personally I think you males should just be grateful for that you've got, Cassandra and Josephine are both more than decent options. And there are 2 romances who aren't announced as of yet, and you don't KNOW if one of them is female. There's a very good chance that Vivienne is romanceable, just to uphold the gender-ratio, so stop complaining until you now for sure if you are being disadvantaged. Ah ... yeah, I forgot: I'm pretty excited about our companions and advisors looking like real persons, not like some idealized - and therefore, completetly replaceable - sex-gods. Their faces all have character, I prefer that over breathtakingly beautiful, perfect faces. --Andauril (talk) 10:23, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Oh Maker, I respect everyone's opinion, but the "Cassandra looks like a man" thing is something that I can't accept: there are women who are less attractive then others, this is obvious, but this doesn't mean that they are men. Moreover, I find Cassandra very pretty, sure she will be my first romance option in my first playthrough and maybe in my very canon. Turuzzusapatuttu (talk) 12:05, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

This talk about there not having any attractive romance options in DAI is getting old. I'm sure they will be fine in appearance and will be finer in personality and love scenes. I like seeing how far a male character goes with a lady even though I usually see one girl out of the rest having the most chemistry. Like Liara for the first Mass Effect trilogy, Morrigan for Origins, and I would say Isabela for 2, but it wouldn't work otherwise she wouldn't have appeared in the comics with Alistair instead of disappearing with Hawke.--Mike Gilbert 13:05, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that the romance options for heterosexual males lack diversity (especially if vivienne is not the third, which I will be very sad about because I love her ambitious personality). Scribbles and Cassandra have a slightly different skin tone, but they generally look similar. Both are brunettes with olive skin. So, if a guy likes blondes or dark women (if vivienne isn't romance able) then he's out of luck, because 2/3 are white brunettes. I personally find iron bull disgusting and i think Cullen has a weird looking face that resembles a dog, but that's atleast it's diversity!, instead of just two brunettes. In DA:O, (for heterosexual characters) the girls had very different faces and hair colors, and the guys were different races, and one had tattoos (zevran). DA:2 was even more diverse. The girls had very different body types, skin colors, features and hair. The boys were completely different, aside from skin color. Anyway, I just hope that the third option for heterosexual guys is not a white brunette (even if that means a dwarf or a qunari) because otherwise they are just catering to one preference. Danthehumanmage (talk) 14:01, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

wait what? lack of diversity? cassandra and josephine look alike? ok back up a bit skin colour is not even remotely the same i know in the initial pictures josephine looked like she has olive skin but she is suppose to be darker as some devs have mentioned to me she looks south european-middle eastern which would make her far darker than Cassandra, Cassandra is a dark brunette will pale skin. Body types should be fairly different since Cassandra should be more toned than Josephine the diplomat also the way they dress is also different. They are diverse i dont see how they arent diverse if its because of hair colour, cmon you can't be that picky in a game. Besides there are far too little brunettes in pop culture, look at the disney princesses there is Belle and thats about it. ( and later Rapunzel but she isnt really depicted with brown hair.) Anyway Cassandra and Josephine are really diverse so i really dont understand where you are coming from. (btw i dont mean this as an attack just stating my opinion :))Faye Cousland (talk) 14:27, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Oh c'mon! Cassandra and Josephine look alike, are you kidding? Cassandra is a warrior with black short hair and fair skin with a more resolut face and - for sure - a more toned and muskular body shape than Josephine, who's got long dark brown hair which she wears in a burn, and who's facial features are more exotic (she looks mediterranean to near-eastern, while Cassandra's features are middle-european) and has much darker shade of skin (I wouldn't call it "olive", her skin tone is too warm for "olive") and her bodyshape is certainly more feminine than that of Cassandra, the warrior. Also, the two dress different, 'cause Josephine is a noblewoman who dresses like one, and Cassandra is a warrior preferring more practical clothes. They look nothing alike aside from the color of their hair. (I don't mean to isult or attack you, I just don't see your point.) --Andauril (talk) 15:08, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Dude, if you don't like 'em, don't date 'em. I was upset that Sera wasn't a choice, but whatever, not the first time the hottest woman in the room was a lesbian. Like real life you either lower your standards, or choose no one and wait for something you like. Josephine don't look too bad, but considering I don't know anything about her personality I might want to jump out a window just so I don't have to talk to her. I wouldn't mind playing a Bioware game were I didn't try to get some. Hell, they probably what you to think "do I even want this relationship?" That's a much more realistic choice then "here's 9 people, which one you wanna bang? Don't worry about them, they will learn to love you. Just focus on your dowsing rod there buddy."107.193.193.88 (talk) 15:14, July 22, 2014 (UTC)