In this war, the upcoming one. Everyone will see blood at the grounds. This war is bigger than world wars... manny sacrifices, low heroes or manny heroes..

Which side do you gonna join? Both sides have its own pros and contras, so where you belong? Are you joining 100% Templars? Are you joining 100% Mages? Or Are you joining 50% Templars? Or Are you joining 50% Mages? Or just defend who is right: Defend Templars against lost mind Mages and defend Mages against Bad Templars?

I go definately with joining 100% with Templars.--MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk) 20 July 2012, 08:13 (UTC)

I was all for mages untill that jerk killed my mom D: Now me and Sebastian and Fenris are going on a pscho mage killing spree GarettTheBoy (talk) 06:33, July 20, 2012 (UTC) -->GarettTheBoy

mwahahahhahah yeah that mage made me sick too.. but the first ever necromancer in dragon age... hope we see them more often in dragon age to hunt them down .--MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk) 20 July 2012, 08:41 (UTC)

I never understood this argument. You sided with mages until a mentally unbalanced and psychotic mage murdered Leandra? How do the actions of one, single lunatic condemn thousands of men, women, and children who are oppressed by religious fanatics for being mages? What about the mages who are tortured, raped, and killed? Personally, I see no reason to side with the Chantry or the Order of Templars. Allowing them to have "dominion over mages by divine right" is a mistake that should be rectified. And considering that the Chantry laws allowed Meredith to commit genocide against hundreds of people who were innocent of Anders' actions, the protagonist should be able to topple these institutions of tyranny. Lobsel Vith (talk) 17:14, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

I guess you dont speak to me xd MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk)

In DA2 my Hawke was a mage sympathiser until Quentin appeared and destroyed his life. Since then he become less trusting towards mages. He supported templars since Grace, Thrask, Keran and Alain he helped betrayed him. He helped templars in the Last Straw, because he suspected O in Qunetin's letter is Orsino. Anders' action definitelly made him hate him and he executed this abomination. Of course he never let Meredith kill his beloved sister, Bethany. Mage supporter became a templar supporter in short. In DA3 I'd support none of the sides, because I see both as bloody murderers and warmongers, who can't live in peace. I think if any of the sides wins, there will be no good. I don't want another Imperium of despotic blood mages or paranoidal templars' dictatorship. BOth sides know only hatred and war, they cannot live in peace. I want destruction of both sides to end this war with no victor. I see none of them is good, both sides are guilty. I don't support idea based on hatred, I care only about civillians, who suffer the most in every war. When war lasts long civillians begin to not care who started this war, who's right or wrong, they just want end of the war. In short I support none of the sides. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.8.128.148 (talk • contribs)

I'm totally with the mages! I am shocked at how many Templar sympathisers there are! People are so quick to condemm the mages in DAII and I think that's because we don't get to see the circle at all really. These mages were all rebelling against oppressors for a reason. I think DAII gave a really biased view of the prelude to the conflict. Meredith was insane! In DA my Warden was a mage and was a templar sympathiser to maintain order. My Hawke was also a mage but I feel less sympathetic of the templars in DAII because of how they were all corrupt (not necessarily in a bad way i.e. Thrask, but still not dedicated) or insane (Meredith!). In DAIII I will side with the mages or (and I'm hoping this will be an option because I feel it lacked in DAII) I will side with the chantry and restore order by heavily punishing the templars and mages alike, permitting mages to leave the cities and train in their own areas, much like the dalish and still allowing a circle to be exist but as a voluntary obligation. The templars duties then will be to maintain in-city order and hunt down rogue mages but with less authority and fewer numbers than before. Assassin for the argonauts (talk) 10:09, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

i belive that both sides are wrong. Yes Templars are mostly oppressors. Yes some mages are evil especially the blood ones but pointless war between mages and templars threatning normal people. on second thought: iam not suprise that people are siding with Templars. Just remember what Anders did. This is deffinitly didn't show mages in their best light. - Darthportus

Personally I'm inclined to support the mages. In-game? It will depend on how I decide to roleplay the new protagonist and how Bioware represents both sides. Kestrella (talk) 12:23, July 20, 2012 (UTC)]]

Im going with the mages as i hate the templars and the chantery.--Shaerala (talk) 12:30, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

No matter how much I want to kill the mages I wont becuase people like Meridith and Ser Alrick which are like the Nazis of Dragon Age showed us Templars are screwed up too GarettTheBoy (talk) 14:09, July 20, 2012 (UTC) -->GarettTheBoi

Mages, because Templars are Imperial Order and they hate everything that relate anything to good and beatifull. Like LIFE and LIBERTY.Anders is a hero and chantry deserved it. Fucking Fellowship of Order.--188.67.26.154 (talk) 16:45, July 20, 2012 (UTC)Jak Darckner

Imperial chantry also has templars, but they are not the same. In Tevinter templars have no power according to Lord Seeker Lambert, who used to be an imperial templar. They are just for show, but even magisters go too far and templars have to kill possessed magister, but it happens rarely. In other words andrastian templars overuse their power and imperial ones are weak. Template:Unsigned User 78.8.128.148

Assuming we're given a choice (i.e. not being subtly hinted at to help the "vulnerable" "oppressed" magi, if I read DAII's subtext correctly) then I'm going with the templars. I agree with their purpose, I don't think them having some bad apples is indicative of ALL of them being bad. I always assumed we were shown the "worst of the worst" for both sides. That said, I'm no fan of the Chantry, but I wouldn't want magi wandering about with no oversight. But I should stop now before I start to babble. EzzyD (talk) 18:27, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Really? I've been going back through DA2 to take a census of the mages that appear in the game (more specifically, in each Act) and, though I'm not finished, so far the vast majority of the mages are some form of maleficar (blood mages, abominations- or in immediate danger of becoming them, or Slavers & bandits). Again it's not finished, but my preliminary results seem to show that Meredith was right.--Liam Sionnach (talk) 17:00, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

I'm actually really on the fence about who I'll support in DA3. I mean by nature I support the mages and their struggle. There are some very bad and crazy mages, Mr. Anders, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve freedom. I think everyone can agree Kirkwall was the worst of both sides. The Order was filled with sadistic mage haters led by a zealot whose madness was enhanced by the idol. And in reaction the Circle was filled with mages who saw only blood magic as a means to freedom led by a spineless jerk who was just looking for an excuse to indulge in Quentin's twisted research because of a personal hatred held for said zealot. So after the polarizing event that was The Last Straw. I'm not sure who to support, mages deserve freedom as most are good decent people. Many of whom would never even consider blood magic. And there are certainly good templars, men and women who only want to defend other more helpless people. And they don't want to kill mages, only make sure the rotten ones don't get out of hand. If Anders' speech is any indication of the future of the series then at some point I'll have to pick sides. And there's a good chance it will be the mages. But going into DA3 I see myself supporting justice, no not the character, but rather the righteous path of action. Fighting to free the mages, while at the same time helping the templars punish the mages who look more for control and power than freedom and human rights. Tyrannus3 (talk) 19:24, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

As you said Kirkwall showed worst of the worst. In Ferelden templars weren't bastards like in Kirkwall. Gregoir wanted to restore order in the circle, destruction was the worst scenario. He wanted to believe Irving survived, he protected him from Cullen's accusations. Ser Otto the blind was a nice guy, he investigated hunted orphanage filled with true demons. Rylock was only almost like Meredith, she tried to capture Anders even as a Gray Warden because of pure hate to him. Peoples' character depends on place they live and Kirkwall is a cursed city with weak political rule and filled by bandits and fanatics. Free Marches also have often constant wars like ancient Greece, no wonder many people there are bastards.

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Exactly!! Rylock was the most fanatical one there. Cullen wanted to kill the mages at the Circle but he was tortured and in a frenzy so I give him the benefit of a doubt. But Rylock hated Anders on a personal level and was willing to do anything, including risking relations between the Order and the Wardens, to get him. Kirkwall seems to only bring the worst out of people there, if the Enigma of Kirkwall journals are to be believed, the very structure of the city of itself is built on blood and evil. I genuinely believe that if Anders had stayed in Ferelden he would have never lost his mind the way he did in Kirkwall. And I agree on the Greece comparison, but I would almost more liken to the old Italian city-states rather than the Greek. In Greece the city-states were constantly warring with each other or on the brink of war. In Italy though, while battles were possibly it was more about political struggle than military contests. And that's more the feeling I get from the Free Marches, aside from a possible outcome with Sebastian, you never really hear about Starkhaven marching on Kirkwall or one of the other cities. It seems like the most aggression you get is in the form of assassinating noble families to replace them. Not wage an all out war. I don't think the city-states could handle that. The Kirkwall guard certainly isn't ready to march and take down anyone. The only state that was strong enough to do that was Nevarra, and they established themselves as a country to be reckoned with by taking on Orlais. Tyrannus3 (talk) 21:49, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Anders took Justice in Ferelden after Kristof's body had been decapitated or was rotting. He left Gray Wardens, because Rylock's templar friend joined GW to spy Andy. Another fanatical one, he made Anders escape to Kirkwall. If Enigma of Kirkwall journals are correct, then this evil which made local templars such bastards, also made Anders what he became. But I think it's just a fairy tail. If Anders become evil in 7 years, why rest of companions weren't affected? Further on north, people are more violent and less civiliased, but more technicaly advanced. Antivan nobles assassinate each other, there Dalish are bandits, Tevinters are slavers or tyranical magisters, qunari are the greatest xenophobes and culture destroyers. I think people in Kirkwall and further on North aren't scums because of mysterious ancient evil, but because of geography. More wilder areas, more dangerous wild animals, different climates, that all make locals wilder and more violent.

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To keep it simple and to refrain from writing an entire book on my reasons for my choice, I'm just gonna say it in a simple sentence.....I will support the Mages. The Dread Wolf (talk) July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Neither. I have to believe the whole mage/templar thing is all a sham. They're both pawns being played in some elaborate game to further the ends of something, or someone, else. God I hope so at least as both sides are completely unappealing and quite frankly, boring. The Grey Unknown (talk) 21:59, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Depends. Mages like Anders are getting their throats cut in DAIII. Innocent Mages I will give the benefit of the doubt and keep them from harm. RomeoReject (talk) 22:20, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

I sympathize with the mages, but I don't support either side whole-heartedly. The Templars sometimes use excessive force and need to be less harsh toward the mages, but the mages must have a counterbalance to their power or the rest of Thedas will become just like Tevinter. I do think the Circle system is too confining, though, and there should be an option for mages who don't want to be shut in a tower their whole lives. For DA3, I hope it's a more subtle portrayal, not just a choice between supporting one side or the other. Diyartifact (talk) 23:16, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Evil corrupt templars and insane mages sound the same when cleaved in two. Along with bandits. I don't know until the situation is encountered and the moral choice is presented````5:13pm 7/20/12 KCMueller

Like Anders say there is no compromise its templars or mages and I support the mages. --87.95.70.57 (talk) 10:05, July 21, 2012 (UTC)Jak Darckner

I think some people actually support the mages cause of Anders...But with all due respect i think both sides are mother-f*cking crazy....I dont know which side to pick. I read on a forum : "So its not okay to kill all mages but its okay to kill all templars?", But templars are treating mages like trash?Less then human? "like you need a reason to be alive?". I know some people hate mages from DA:2 because of Anders killing innocents and that Quentin killed Hawke's mom.(dont get me wrong i cried when she died) But not every mage are like them.That said i actually let Anders rejoin my team (I really hated the chantry and their damn chant of light...DA:O) Mages turning to blood magic because its feels easy....Templars going insane on mage views because of uncontrolled powers? Kaillen Cousland, Kasley Mahariel and Lexi Hawke support the mages. But me? I wish i could just go to orlais and live in Sin eating cake T_T.Hope i didnt offend anyone with my post.--TheNightTwins (talk) 06:19, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Mages means Destruction and Maleficarum, Templars means Peace of all and they fight for the good of all. .--MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk) 22 July 2012, 08:58 (UTC)

Hey with all due respect thats your opinion but i have to disagree, Mages choose to use blood magic i wont deny that, but your branding them Maleficarum because they were born with magic?Templars fight for the good of all right? Dont mages count in the all part? Magic isnt the problem its how people view the magic. Its how mages use magic that affect peoples views. If your going to brand Mages Malicarum because they are mages why not brand Animals Destruction for having Sharp teeth and pointy claws? ANd before you say Mages can be possesed by Demons while animals cannot, I dont think the templars making all mages Suffer in the circles helps the whole demon cause thing. Im not a total Mage lover/supporter. But it doesnt Justify this blighted war, i know for some people they are solid in the alliance they choose but i think ill remain neutral i just got off topic.. who cares LOL.--TheNightTwins (talk) 07:18, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

I dont brand all mages to maleficars, only who had a deal with demons.. and they SHOULD let kill herself/himself by the sword of an templar, its just divines right that Templars reigns over Mages. Theres maybe some bad templars but i dont care what i care of is that mages wants freedom, never in my playthrough is this gonna happen. All Mages will be shut down in the circle of magi, who wans to flee or freedom, they die just like that. MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk) 22 July 2012, 10:49 (UTC)

Oh, just chill, people. There will be no mage-templar world war in the sequel. It will be retconned out and blamed on Varric making things up. Dorquemada (talk) 09:07, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

what are you talking about? Bioware even said its the final war between mages and templars. SO nothing with that boring dwarf. MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk) 22 July 2012, 11:13 (UTC)

Mages means peace and freedom and Templars mean war and slavery.--188.67.0.91 (talk) 12:21, July 22, 2012 (UTC)Jak Darckner

Mages means Blood Magic, Abominations and Destruction and Templars means Fight for the good of all civilians till you die MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk) 22 July 2012, 18:46 (UTC)

Mages means war, templars means war. I see both of them aren't worth of support. In DAO templars weren't bad guys like in DA2, after Kirkwall I see both sides worth each other - all they know is hatred and war. In DA3 I am not going to support Fiona's Imperium or Lambert's dictatorship. I don't care about who's right or wrong, I care about civillians killed because of their warmongering hatred. Both sides are just fanatics wanted to destroy each other, if anybody of them wins there can be no happy ending.

If you an Dragon Age fan you knew every war the mages have ever did, Templars won every single war.. and the civilians, The Templars are protecting them = Its like, they try to protect a civilian and in the same time they kill abominations. Because a Abomination will attack a civilian to get break a Templars defense.. MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk) 22 July 2012, 18:44 (UTC)

I really just hope that DA III doesn't just break down into simply siding with the Templars or Mages. I know the conflict will be there, it has to be, I just hope there's more to it that "I heart MAGES! FREEDOM!" vs. "Mages are SCARY! LOCK THEM UP!!" Ideally, I'd like to see a game in which the the Mage-Templar conflict is what shapes the setting, and you have to deal with it to a certain extent, but the main plot tackles something going on under the surface. But maybe that's just me.--Liam Sionnach (talk) 16:53, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

If it's the major theme of DA3, I realy hope they will give us an opportunity of not choosing either side, kind of like in Skyrim you can support neither the empire, nor the stormcloakes - you just do you thing with the dragons and don't care about the rest. I mean, I don't mind hard choices here and there, but I can't force myself to choose between mages and templars. It's like choosing to kill every man in the world because some are rapists, or supporting a group of people of whom some are dictators.

I want some shades with that. Henio0 (talk) 02:55, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Katherine Hawke Will be all for Templars ever since the tragedy of her mother, but will stand by Bethany and Merrill if they're threatened. The Warden will Support no one, as he is neutral, but will fight the Mages if they resort to blood magic. As for our new hero... we'll wait and see.

--SpectreAngel (talk) 05:30, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Templars. Their the necessary evil that keeps in check the obvious chaos. If only they could rise above the pathetic chantery... [Tea'l]

There is no middle ground when templars rebel aswell. There is mages or chantry and mages are more than templars so mages win. --188.67.66.146 (talk) 13:06, July 23, 2012 (UTC)Jak Darckner

Don't say who are more, because no numbers are shown. On every page is written many or tousands/hundreds, n o offical numbers.

I will pick all possible options throughout my multiple walkthroughs. Though my main walkthrough will likely be a pro-mage one. 15:08, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

So Val Royeaux... Nice Grand Cathedral they have there. Can I blow it up? Puuuuleeease -Algol- (talk) 21:36, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

I will kill all templars and destroy all the chantry's. All hail me. 203.45.127.20 (talk) 00:57, July 24, 2012 (UTC)Darkside

No Anon, no one will hail you, no matter how many times you post the same, stupid comment.

I'm going to parrot the gentleman above and say I hope they don't make this a stupid "Good versus evil" conflict, it'd be nice if there were no right answers. RomeoReject (talk) 04:47, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think good vs. evil will enter in this game, both sides of this conflict share a mixed dose of corruption that will override morality. Nobody is truly good or evil and Bioware has shown that they can do grey just fine. 203.45.127.20 (talk) 05:12, July 24, 2012 (UTC)Darkside

I could not disagree more. Moral grey areas is something I've always found BioWare to be absolutely horrid at. Generally they present "naive" options as good, and logical options as "evil". It's never "I'm sacrificing one to save the many" because ultimately if you don't sacrifice that one everyone does just peachy regardless. All I'm hoping is that they don't attach a "stigma" with each side (Mage = God guy, and Templar = Bad guy, for example).

Also, I owe you an apology for the previous comment, that was rather rude of me. So, sorry for that. Though you should make a profile if you're going to attach a signature to every post. RomeoReject (talk) 06:51, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

I will kill every mage who dont want to live in the circle.. who wants to live in the circle, they get their lives back but the others abominations, blood mages and apostates gonna die btw. mages are evil and templars are good MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk)

It's not going to happen. Every templar dies and Mages have their freedom if people don't like that thats their problem. --188.67.35.43 (talk) 10:08, July 24, 2012 (UTC)Jak Darckner

Duuuuuuuude, i said "I will" kill every mage..... this means in my "PLAYTHROUGH". if you had an good IQ, you would know that. Ya can read? MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk)

So MEVLUT COUSLAND will clearly support the templars and Jak Darckner (the currently banned SOCKING troll) will clearly support the mages. We get it.

As for me, it depends a great deal on the circumstances that my character my face before he has to decide. However, if I had to call it right this second I would support the mages. Ccg08 (talk) 10:14, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for repeating "I'm gonna support templars". i promise it never happens on this tread anymore MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk)

That stupid oaf don't get it that magic is life and templars are killing the essence of life whats is magic. Without magic there is no life. --188.67.35.43 (talk) 10:18, July 24, 2012 (UTC)Jak Darckner

Qunari deny magic and treat their mages like rabid animals and yet they are the most powerful nation in Thedas. Mages are just gifted people like poeple with talents like commanding, dancing or imagination. Magic is no life, it's just an energy like electricity or gravity.

SIGN YOUR POSTS. Also, Qunari don't "deny" magic, they control more than most. If anything, it would be like comparing a country who locks up all their weapons as opposed to a country who simply dominates theirs; Of course the latter country will be more powerful. RomeoReject (talk) 20:45, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you RomeoReject. Qunari never deny magic, If they did then they would just kill all their mages. 203.45.127.20 (talk) 00:40, July 25, 2012 (UTC)Darkside

I'll be on the Chantry's side. Justinia V is a Mage sympathizer but knows when Templars are needed, as well as Cassandra and Leliana are with the Seekers the best outcome for this war. I am well aware that we cannot hope for the outcome to be the exact same order as it was before Kirkwall but still, there will always be Mages, we can't simply kill them all forever especially if one day Templars want to slaughter a nobility's child just because he may be a danger ; it would lead to many conflicts between lords and kings and the templars. But we can't have an Imperium neither, Fenris is the good evidence of how much hate we can have from a Tevinter magister. Personnaly I think that it may happen like this :

- the war starts, the Templars leaded by Lord Seeker Lambert will hunt down all the Circles and Grand Enchanter Fiona will retaliate.

- nations will get involved, espacially the Imperium that might try to take the Mages or at least numerous malefiracums and rebels at its side. If the Imperium makes a move, it is likely that Orlais will get involved as well, but in Asunder we know that Orlais is in a state of civil war and Celene I already has problems with Grand Duke Gaspard de Chalons who wants to take back Ferelden. That's why Alistair/Anora/Loghain would get involved. It is likely that in the case where Loghain lives and is still Anora's general he may be put aside by Eamon because the monarch of Ferelden will want to secure his or her kingdom (or their if Alistair and Anora are married) by allying with Celene (who also wants peace) because it would be far easier to win a war against half of Orlais than against its full might.

- The Free Marches are also likely to participate, after the Battle of Kirkwall, Templars have taken over the city and Sebastian may be back to Starkhaven to take his place as Prince, in that case most of the Free Marches would be on the Templars' side.

So, to me the only way to show that this war really is global, the nations have to step in. That's why the world may be on the edge of self-destruction and who are the proclaimed protectors of the world ? The Grey Wardens.

- So, yes the Grey Wardens are supposed to be neutral, but remember that the First Warden is the real leader of the Anderfels, a pious nation that is entirely devoted to the Andrastian Chantry. If the Imperium makes a move in the war and tries to take back the Anderfels, Weisshaupt may have to get involved in this war. But still I don't think that the Wardens would take a side and they would cooperate with the Seekers of Truth, espacially if the latters find the Warden (and especially if he has the Hero of Ferelden background), the man/woman is supposed to be the "highest" of them as he is called in the First Warden codex entry in Awakening if he is Hero of Ferelden, and may even be a candidate to be First Warden. We know that the Warden has already involved him/herself in politics during the Fifth Blight by choosing the monarchs of both Ferelden and Orzammar, on the top of that he/she became Arl of Amarantine for a time. It wouldn't be a surprise if the Warden chose to get involved.

- Another reason for the Wardens to get involved is if Corypheus takes a part. At the end of the Legacy DLC it's clear that he went into Larius/Janeka and survived the fight against Hawke. He may even join the Imperium (he was a Magister and a powerful one, I mean, go into the Golden City and stuff...). If Corypheus is involved, the Wardens have the obligation to step in in this war. --Cently Melanar (talk) 23:21, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

So far I've personally joined with mages in both games. In Origins I joined with them because I felt that it was better to make peace between the two parties than to lean one way or the other. I tried to do the same in DAII but since you had to make a definite decision and since I felt the right of annulment while understandable in a kind of deranged fear driven way was unjustified I sided with them again and made Anders live with his crimes.

As for DAIII it will definitely depend on how they are portrayed. I prefer taking a neutral path to see who is in the right in the situation. I'm of the mind that the ends don't justify the means so if the mages attempt to free themselves by killing countless lives I won't think twice about helping templars and vice verse.

As a side note I try my best to keep every member of my team alive or together, so that also sort of influenced my Anders decision, even though Sebastian hated me they were both alive.

VanisKael (talk) 00:45, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

I will side with the mages and bring about a new Tevinter. All hail the Tevinter empire. 203.45.127.20 (talk) 02:07, July 25, 2012 (UTC)Darkside

If I had to pick a side, and with extremists in large numbers on both sides it's likely they will not take neutrality well, I would side with the Mages even thought I myself would not take Mage as my Class and will take Templar as a speciality. I accept the Chant of Light, I don't approve of blood magic, and will never accept deals with demons, but the Mages do less to disrespect the Chant than the Templars and have the right to control their own lives. The Templars and Seekers act too much like a hammer when a more precise, softer tool is needed and exacerbate the issue. I can more easily protect innocents from malificar when working with mages, than against them. --175.39.56.192 (talk) 02:29, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Mages. I'm always up for a good game of Chantry-Jenga. Rathian Warrior (talk) 04:12, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

I you probably wont have the option DA3 is supposedbout saving the world from itself so its probably ge of a stop them from killing eachother sort of thing GarettTheBoy (talk) 12:58, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

If we have this option, I'll go Templars for sure. I just read the news about open world for DAIII. I hope that happens. Looking forward to it.CWHellsmight (talk) 10:37, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

I'll give an analogy, in Skyrim you didn't automatically side with the rebels or the Empire; you had to really think on it. It wasn't just good vs evil. Dragon Age... hasn't captured that. You're shown very little good in the Templars and rampant oppression for the Mages. I'll be siding with the Mages, but any opportunity for peace and I'm gunning for it, because I bet there is some trick/dick move coming that we'll need everyone on board for. Friendlysociopath (talk) 17:58, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Whichever side pisses me off the least. --The Milkman | I always deliver. 18:08, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Bwa ha ha. Pretty much. RomeoReject (talk) 19:32, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

On the one hand, I often find it unsettling when players go "This character lied to me/pissed me off/has an ugly face so I murdered them as a natural reaction!" On the other hand, at the end of Fallout 3 I wanted to nuke that whole Jerkland again. Oh, and on topic - I find it really hard to support people who think like this - "Oh no, an apostate blew up a church! Lets react by murdering hundreds of people who had nothing to do with it!" Dorquemada (talk) 10:28, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to support whoever I feel is more in the right. I do like the idea of a larger Tevinter though.--TheReaperofInsanity (talk) 18:22, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

I am for good Templars 100%. Mages too easy become blood mages.

First, I would kill Sebastian..oh wait, I pretend he doesn't exist. You know fuck it, I'm going to not get at all involved with this stupid-ass Templar vs. whiny Circle Mages. Let them all rip each other apart while my character and party members get out soda and popcorn and laugh at the blood and guts and fireballs being all over the place, MEYA!

and then the fireballs hits your body and your party members, what next? a. going to the battleground b. whining and screaming or c. still watch, ignoring the pain of the fireball MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lx8uHC7I4M, HAHAHA!WafflesAreSuspended (talk) 18:36, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Mages, mages, and then mages again. And when the war is over I'll build a statue of Anders in front of the new Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters institutions that replace the Circle in my Thedas. And Hawke and Anders will both be there during the dedication, snogging all the way. Wataru14 (talk) 11:45, August 1, 2012 (UTC) Do you want to know how Xavier got bald? Magneto shaved his head when he was sleeping...WafflesAreSuspended (talk) 18:36, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

I am for an autonomous Circle as a place of schooling. Meaning that every mage has to undergo education in a Circle that is guarded (not governed) by an outside force ,be it Templars or a national force taught Templar talents, but is not forced to live there in isolation. Once they come of age their phylacteries should be stored and they would need to check in with the Templars/whatever regularly. Anybody who fails to do so and goes rogue will be hunted down as a potential threat, the rest is free to live as they please. Also, no rite of Tranquility. Since that's not going to happen and the next game might just be as black and white as the last, I will go with the templars, even though I feel for the mages.It is not their fault, but they are much too powerful to be left to their own devices. Oh, and by the way, wouldn't it be nice to see Templars who, for once, are caught up in other things than mages? In Origins they performed several other tasks for the protection of civilians. Got tossed out of the window, that notion. 91.22.180.249 (talk) 14:37, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well, since Orison that it was funny to fuck around with bloody blood magic and turn himself into a Harvester and get the whole Gallows destroyed leaving me and only a few young Apperentinces to escape the wraith of Merebitch in which now we are going to my mother's homeland Orlais....25-years-old and I NEVER thought I would be a first Enchanter without a Circle to take in charge of..oh well, it could be worst :)FirstEnchanterAnthonyLutheranoftheKirkwallGallows (talk) 19:01, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

That's one long name you got there. Henio0 (talk) 19:11, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I could have just put Anthony Lutheran....FirstEnchanterAnthonyLutheranoftheKirkwallGallows (talk) 19:13, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Your name screws up the entire formatting of the mainpage, it's that long. Well, not screws up but you know what I mean.

On topic, I have no idea if I will even buy the game, even if I do, it would depend on how both sides are portrayed in it.--Agent047 (talk) 10:18, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Neither. from the what I saw in the Gallows, they're both idiots. I do have a request for the templars and the mages, though. It's just a little thing, really, but do you think that when you've finished smashing up the world and blowing each other to bits and demanding special privileges while you do it, do you think that maybe the rest of us can have our world back? I wouldn't ask, but I'm starting to think that it's in the Chant of Light somewhere that it's all right for the both parties to behave like petulant, pugnacious pr!cks. - 17:50, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Haha I agree completely, it's like DA2 pushed the subject too far, at this point both sides seem wrong and have WAY too many extremists and insane people among thing ranks. There is no gray here both sides are pretty screwed up and I would rather not take part in either side of the war. And seriously there can not end good for either side, they are just wasting the rest of the worlds time, you know all the millions of people who aren't circle mages or templars like many of our wardens and don't give a flying f*** about either side anymore (or never did). MrRexfire (talk) 00:28, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Exacly. I also don't want victory of any side. It will mean Fiona's Imperium or Lambert's dictatorship. All mages and templars know is hatred and war, they aren't able to live in peace. All they bring is a destruction.

I don't care who i side with, as long as i can be a bad motherfucker that's all i care about. 203.45.127.20 (talk) 00:35, August 3, 2012 (UTC)Darkside

I might support the mages simply to fulfill my headcanon that says that Anders and all the mages will break into a perfectly choreographed dance number to Kool and the Gang's Celebration when they are freed.--96.242.209.23 (talk) 15:52, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

I think that there should be three options in DA3. Fight alongside mages or templars or be damage control. Attempt to keep the battles away from civilians and rally countries and people that aren't neccesarily aligned fully with the Templar's or Mages like Rivain, the Avvar, Chasind and Dalish. And hopefully Fereldan, Antiva and some cities in the free marches. Heck maybe even the Qunari or the Tal-Vashoth rebels and the Fog Warriors. The Grey Wardens would also have to take a stand as well so maybe you have to convince them to fight with you whichever side you pick. Also personally I'd be damage control. Both sides are so powerful they will tear the world to pieces. Game play, most likely I'll side with Mages.----Player800---August 4 2012

I'd side with the Divine/ what's left of the Aequitarians. There clearly needs to be some oversight for the mages and the young mages do need training, otherwise you'll end up with a zillion Conor Guerrins running around. But the way things currently are with the Templars is far too strict. If DAIII follows Asunder, it looks like Wynne's son Rhys will likely be leading this type of faction anyways. If its a black and white choice, I'm for the rebel mages, as technically the Divine is siding with them anyways. And I dearly hope that the Templars are divided on this issue-- I really want to know what Greagoir would do. Anyways, BioWare has created an interesting situation here, and I'm fascinated by how this will be resolved... I wonder if they've considered an Aes Sedai/Warder scenario as a resolution...

Ehm, hello.. dont you know that Gregoir dies after DAO? He lefts the circle and gives Cullen the full controll of it... and he goes to the chantry and someday he dies with a smile on his face on his bed and he wanted no one healing him MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk)

Yeah, and in one ending Cullen goes crazy, leaves the order and starts hunting apostates. We can just assume the epilogue means crap with BioWare's retcons. Henio0 (talk) 13:42, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

He may not be dead yet. He will NOT go to the Chantry, he will go to the White Spire (if that thing even exists as of 9:40). However, considering that Cullen suddenly got his sanity back and a makeover that somehow makes him look younger than how he appeared when he was trying to chase after my to-be-Warden mage apprentice, I'm going to pretend that Greagoir kicked Cullen out of the Circle and sent him to Meredith the nutcase so at least the Circle Tower could function in peace. That makes more sense than Cullen's marvellous recovery after he went on an apprentice killing rampage and ran for the hills. Why couldn't he just stay there?!- 08:34, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

For me, I am just going to listen to poor Nial's opinion and take all the non-warmongering, crazy racist nut job mages and live on a self-sufficient island and only come out when there is a blight or huge invasion of the known world.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.162.41.162 (talk)

Mages only mages , Templars are stupid fanatics ,you can not judge race because one person is a psychopath.In forgotten realms mages are a lot more powerful than is this world and no need fanatics. The third reason is that the Templars are sadists and hypocrites ,they are tyrants that others were not tyrants.Hawk and my warden are mages (angel path:F) and next my champion will be mage too.I hope Leliana and Casandra did not come in my way Leliana is warden LI but if she do this she will die.=:)

1) Sign your posts 2) Please try being coherent 3) Mage is not race 4) If you can't judge whole groups of people based on the actions of individuals - templars should not be called stupid fanatics just because some of them are 5) As of yet we haven't heard or seen any forgotten realms; we know only Thedas 6) Templars are hypocrites? I think - hypocrysy, thy name is you. Henio0 (talk) 20:26, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Kill 'em all and let the maker sort 'em out -Torva Hawke

Race was example ,mages are like a mutants in x-men... Rly when you shut someone in prison and do not care about whether it is guilty or not because your religion says that you're not a fanatic? Yes templar are hypocrites say they are good but do not hesitate to kill a young man who use blood magic even once (They are almost inquisitors).They follow the rule that grab the sword (example) you are evil.

You do understand that you have to make a deal with a demon to even be able to use blood magic? I'd say killing blood mages is a good thing. Henio0 (talk) 20:58, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Ok but you are young and fool you made mistake and they are want kill you that's good?Other point but they even kill apostates because they don't want be locked in the tower.Rly you want be killed by inquisitors because you once ran away from school?:)

Once again you don't sign your posts. As for the topic, becoming a blood mage is not a mistake; you willingly offer your services to demons. A mistake would be to burn someone while studying magic. Going into the fade and getting friendly with the demons is plain stupid and should be punished by death. And the templars don't kill you if you once escape the tower - Anders escaped seven times.

Now, templars aren't saints, but mages aren't either. For now, the circles and the order is the neccessary evil. But when they get too extreme that becomes a problem. Henio0 (talk) 21:22, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Because im evil:).Jowan (they use blood magic becuase he want be so strong as magi warden but he stopp use blood magic he did it because templars kill him and he want protect this chantry sister ,The Warden, Hawke they can be blood mage and be good:).

Not really. With Hawke, it's stupid that blood mage is just a specification. But in Origins, to become a blood mage you have to hand over a boy to a demon. I wouldn't call it being good. Anyway, Jowan became a blood mage because they wanted to make him tranquil. I don't see how that would help him, but there it is. Henio0 (talk) 22:11, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Nope Warden can use persuade to force the demon to leave the boy and he will have still wishes.Nope Jowan was before blood mage because magi warden was stronger and he want be like him ,but he use blood magic only once then stated that it was a mistake (he told you that if you decide kill him after saving a boy).

You are wrong in both instances. Demons can't be persuaded. And even if Jowan did do it to become more powerful (which he didn't) that is much worse than self-defense. Plus, the Warden wasn't very powerful. S/he was just allowed to take Harrowing; Jowan wasn't because he was suspected of dabbling with forbidden magic and so they were afraid he'd fall to demons. Henio0 (talk) 22:42, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Connor "You can also negotiate with the Demon and get her out of his mind for good, and still give you an item of your choice (or teach you how to be a blood mage). If the mage inside the fade is the Warden, you can intimidate her after agreeing to talk and not accept her proposition to leave Connor for a while and come back later. After it, if your intimidation is high enough, she will offer to leave for good, but doesn't give you anything. Intimidate her again (you'll need Master Coercion) and she will offer you a gift to avoid the fight." ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.37.83.182 (talk) 23:49, August 5, 2012‎

Fine. I was wrong. But it is still making a deal with a demon that has killed most of Redcliffe for her amusement. Henio0 (talk) 23:19, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Blood magic isn't inherantly evil. It's the people who use that are. Grey Wardens use it to fight darkspawn. Merril used it, attempting to get a piece of history back. The end justifies the means.----Player800---- August 5th

Merrill was an idiot, who's idiocy lead Marethari's death and her exile, only she's to blame. My Mahariel would execute her. Avernus used blood magic and anihilated every Gray Warden in the Keep. Janeka was a blood mage and she hired gangsters to bring Hawke's blood and sacrifaced so many to control Corypheus. Avenrus and Janeka were evil. Avernus said "magisters created the DS" was a lie and in Legacy we see it's true. Alian was a blood mage and took part in kidnapping Hawke's sibling. Magisters are all blood mages and all are the same, scums I want to kill just when I see. Most of blood mages are evil. Orsino was no better, he allowed Quentinh to kill all those innocent women, he alos complterelly failed his job of 1st Enchanter.

Mage or templar what's the differnece, they both are evil, fanatical and bloody murderers, knowing nothing but hatred and war. None of the sides are worthy of support, Fiona's 2nd Tevinter or Lambert's dictatorship, whoever wins, there will be no good. I hate both sides and I will anihilate both sides.

Mages stands for freedom and peace. Templars stands for war and slavery. --87.95.42.11 (talk) 14:39, August 6, 2012 (UTC)Richard Rahl

Mages want freedom by war, templars want peace by destruction. Freedom is never achieved in peaceful ways: Ireland freed from British power by revolution, Basques in Spain want to be independent and always rebel, but always fail, in Middle East are nations, who rebel to gain independence. True slavery is in Tevinter (its not about magisters are evil, but about legal slavery in Imperium).

But it looks like that only Mages fans keep whining and whining and they spam and posts like Mages are true peace etc. but i've never saw Templar fans posting like Templars means peace, they talk that they're gonna side with templars so why does Mages fans keep whining? I don't know but i think they know that No peace will rain over them. Because every war the mages began, the templars won every single war. MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk)

There is an answer for note of 87.95.42.11. It's written that templars want peace, so you missed this part of the text, if you say nobody writes "templars mean peace", you're wrong. Everyone has own opinion and most of people like to insult those who disagree with them. I was insulted for supporting templars about 60 times.

First sign your posts, i mean here in the internet they dont whining much as the mages fans do MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk)

Templars cant win because they serve death. Mages win because they serve life.--87.95.42.11 (talk) 17:40, August 6, 2012 (UTC) Jak Rahl

And again a mage fanatic whines and whines... stop whining or i bring the "BAD TEMPLAR" to torture your soul mage.. Minutes later, Oh did that "BAD TEMPLAR" hurt you, awww poor mage MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk)

Great, Jak Drakner got smart and changed his last name. Just saying, since what Jak Rahl is saying is essentially identical to Jak Drakner. MEVLUT, please don't get involved in another troll war that the admins will either delete(Again) or give them a reason to lock the thread. Avg Man (talk) 20:52, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'm gonna go with neutral option or Ultimate Destroyer ( if we even get presented with those options). I will kill all the mages and all the templars and eradicate Chantry. Than I will move on to Qunari and rape them as well. And finnaly, together with Awakened Darkspawn and The Architect, I will find a cure for all mages. A way to use magic without drawing attention of spirits. Problem is... by the time i find a cure, there wont be any mage left alive. Ah well... there are future generations! --Markurion (talk) 19:29, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

They should give options to kill every man in Thedas, as in Arcanum (epic badass ending) :).

Sign your post above.

For me I'll side with the most evil. yessss evil will rule over Thedas. 203.45.127.20 (talk) 04:52, August 7, 2012 (UTC)Darkside

I will choose life over death. Mages serve life. Life is magic. --87.93.77.72 (talk) 12:31, August 7, 2012 (UTC)Emperor Darckner

The mages I've seen so far in both games have served their own interests. Just like any sentient being. 84.135.78.108 (talk) 13:17, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

I'm going with the mages, reluctantly. I'm not all for mages at this point, but I think before both of them try and tear apart Thedas completely, I'm going to just slay a little bit of both before I pick a side, hell I might just not pick a side at all. _{Marauder 09} ^{I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang.} 14:47, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Can I get an option to just say "F this" to the mages and templars? No? Then I guess whichever side wins the coin toss. Avg Man (talk) 15:43, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Mages, yo. I am sympathtic to the plight of a smattering of pixels. --97.124.45.146 (talk) 16:16, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

I am more inclined to pick mages as i would rather not follow a group of fanatics however if there wa s a group of non-chantry templars that didnt want to kill mages sure--Halisme (talk) 17:26, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Hopefully, I'll be able to choose `Chantry Loyalist` and work to stop the war and get the Templars and Mages back in line. Nothing good can come of either side winning: If the Templar Rebels win, we've still got them and the Seekers gone independent with no Chantry to control them, and the next generation of Mages will hate both - and of course there's the whole moral problem of complete and utter magocide. The Mage Rebels can only win by total destruction of Templars and Chantry, which results in massive loss of life, and the destruction of the main religious organisation of Thedas, and the only large scale source of magical control, training and knowledge. And the Mages will be no closer to acceptance: The best they can manage is to be feared and hated overlords over the mundane population - for Mages to be truly free, they must be regarded by normal people as, well, normal people, not strange beings who could turn into demons at any moment - and waging a costly and destructive war, with massive collateral damage, against the main faith is not a way to gain that acceptance. So I'm opting for the Status Quo, Compromise and Damage Control. It's not as if it is an impractical, idealistic decision: While the Chantry has lost most of its own military strength, there's still the matter of the secular governments (you know, the nations that control virtually all of the military might of Thedas), who, being presumably averse to the mother of all civil wars being hosted on their territory, are probably going to be firmly on Team I Don't Want To Set The World On Fire. And I'd rather avoid having to side with either bunch of rebellious, lunatic, kill-em-all-and-let-the-Maker-sort-em-out fanatics.

If I must choose one or the other, though, I'm going with the Templars, simply because (being averse to the use of Demon summoning, raising the dead, turning into Abominations or crazy Harvester things, and good old Indiscriminate Fireball Bombardment) are less likely to wipe inconvenient neutral towns off the map. Or cause massive, devastating rifts in the Veil by Delving Into Things Man Was Not Meant To Know. While Mages deserve to be free, that freedom is not worth the blood price. TheTeaMustFlow (talk) 22:00, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

But i hope, Bioware don't make the civilians helpless. If the civilians got attacked by mages(maleficars) they should be able to protect theirselves or maybe they should give the civilians some warrior skills they can use it. And i stay still with my opinion a Templar or 2-3 Templars should be in the elven alienage to scare off nobles if they get to drunk or want elven girls like in origins. the Templars should be scare off the nobles. The nobles shouldnt get involved to elven partys, events, birthday partys or weddings.. I remember this 1 templar who was blind his name was i think Ser Otto. He protected the denerim alienage against bloodmages but in the end he died. I think 2-3 Templars in the elven alienage would give the city elves their courage back and takes the fears of nobles. MEVLUT COUSLAND (talk)

Last I checked, Templars weren't supposed to get involved in that sort of thing. Sure, the Kirkwall Templars got involved in politics, but the first time was because they KC at the time was killed, and they retaliated, the second from Meredith going insane due to the red lyrium/kryptonite idol. Avg Man (talk) 03:05, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

The primary job of the Templars is to enact the will of the Chantry. Normally that means they don't do much accept for guard the Chantry, hunt Apostates/Maleficar, and enforce law (they are supposed to protect the innocent, and not just against magical threats), as the Chantry seems to prefer to remain neutral. But if the Divine gets annoyed enough, they can and will wage holy war - that's basically what the Exalted Marches were. And MEVLUT, Civilians are just that: Civilians, people without the training or equipment to defend themselves. TheTeaMustFlow (talk) 11:00, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

@TheTeaMustFlow you hit the nail on the head, that is what I have been saying ever since the whole mage-templar debates started. There cannot exactly be a happy ending for either side really. Should the templars win the consequences are fairly obvious, even stricter regulations will be put on mages and the circles, if you thought the circles were unfair and strict now they will probably be literal torture prisons after the war, the templars will likely be more in number and more biased and mages will probably eventually decline in number until they are an endangered species (not that their animals of course lol), faith in the chantry and templars will likely increase as well. On the other hand if the mages win they will have to destroy the chantry even if they don't want to because of it's beliefs and biases towards mages (which will likely only increase during the war), but destroying the chantry will not make a large percentage of the population happy as it is still the primary religion in thedas and to them it would be equal to someone just abolishing Christianity, you can imagine how much of an uproar that would cause, then many civilians are still ignorant and or scared of mages (another thing the war will only make worse) and eventually all this will have to lead to the populace rebelling against the mages, which in return will lead to the mages either losing anyway or winning and being forced to become like tevinter mages ruling over people. It might seem like I'm over-speculating the possibilities but if analyzed closely these are almost the only outcomes unless the world either becomes a happy utopia somehow or we take the side of damage control, that is to try to help and defend people who have nothing to do with the war, and hopefully mediate a treaty to end the war before it gets too out of hand. MrRexfire (talk) 13:42, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

I'm just going to let the two sides slaughter each other, then clean up the rest. Both sides are filled with equal parts jerks and nice people, so I'm just gonna pick up the nice people and have them help me slaughter the jerks. I disliked how DA2 forced you to pick a side, but if that happens again, I'll side with the Templars. If I see a not-so-nice Templar (Ser Alrik from DA2 comes to mind), I'm just going to "forget" that he or she is on my side. And if there's someone on the mage side I like, I'll just say, "This one will be left alive", and if anyone objects, I'm going to object to their objection. Violently. I mean really, the fact that DA2 let me CHOOSE whether to let Meredith kill Bethany or not is downright insulting. Family is family, friends are friends. You don't just let them die. --87.164.187.229 (talk) 15:06, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Mages ofc, may Thedas drown in the blood of the templars! OK, not all, but most.... and down with the chantry! The fires of Tzeentch change all! (talk) 12:46, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Depends on what the playable character is like. Honestly. There is no way we can decide which side to join until we actually see our character and what he or she is like. In the case of another customizable character it depends how we each design our characters.

To me personally (and to my first character, King Izen Cousland), siding with the mages is the only moral choice and it is also the most logical. I think a lot of Templars will decide this as well.

However, the mages must NOT be allowed to fight in the battle to defend themselves. The battle, if it cannot be avoided, must be fought among non-magic users. Conversely, any evil mages must be dealt with by those who are not full fledged Templars, such as dwarves, Legionnaire Scouts, Assassins, Rangers, archers, etc, and possibly anti-mages, that is, mages who use Dispel, Anti-Magic Burst, Glyph of Neutralization, Mana Clash, etc.

I suspect this battle has been engineered to allow for a massive worldwide outpouring of magical use. Such an event will have consequences. Perhaps this is the change that Flemeth talked about. The change that Morrigan fled from. So there is my opinion on DA3's main storyline. I believe the Mage/Templar War is just a precursor to something much more devastating. Believe it! (talk) 17:52, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'll be supporting... the Grey Wardens!
Seriously this whole war, it wouldn't shock me if Flemeth was behind it all!
Putowtin- Light Love and Peace 22:49, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Grey Wardens aren't interested in this war and recognise Flemeth as nothing but a fairy tale. If Warden do something spectacular, it would be take over Anderfles, because thier king is awful. Leliana told that all evil incidents are caused by the Resolutionists, but I think they are just a lie used as an excuse to oppress mages. Lambert started this war and Anders was just a prelude.

^Ohoha!If only..It would have been much more interesting ...mmmmm Flemeth..--Kiwiih (talk) 23:32, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Another thought: DA II's endgame decision of joining the templars or mages basically boils down to two choices under the circumstances. Fact is that by the events of The Last Straw, Kirkwall is filled with blood mages, abominations and demons aplenty. Sure, many of the mages have been cornered, blah blah, afraid of being captured, turned tranquil or killed, so they rather allowed demons to possess them - and this creates the following dilemma: Since a not unremarkable number of mages are now blood mages, and you have no way of discerning whether a mage is one or the other besides them actually using blood magic, you either execute every mage you see (Templar/Meredith stance) or let every mage you see go (Mage/Orsino/Anders(Justice?) stance). Picking the former carries with it the risk of killing innocent mages who have done nothing wrong, whereas the latter carries with it the risk of leaving blood mages, abominations and/or demons free rein to cause havoc across the land. In D&D alignment terms, this isn't a choice between Good or Evil, but between Lawful (Templar) or Chaotic (Mage). Personally, I'd rather run the risk of killing an innocent than run the risk of sparing a blood mage who will then go on to kill many more innocents. Of course, since the mage-templar war breaks out in DA III anyway, this may all be moot...--87.164.166.189 (talk) 23:21, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

No one is innocent. --188.67.130.213 (talk) 20:51, August 13, 2012 (UTC)Emperor Darckner

Not even your beloved mages? Avg Man (talk) 01:02, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

I'm with you, Avg Man!!

No, they are not, but I still support them than templars.--188.67.185.36 (talk) 12:49, August 14, 2012 (UTC)Emperor Darckner

I'm with the mages, but only to an extent. There does need to be something in place to counter the threat of rogue maleficarum, but the Templars are a poor answer. All they have is religious zealotry and deep hatred for mages. Honestly, the best control on mages is other mages. I recall the Mana Clash spell as by far the most effective anti-Mage tool, far more than a fully-specced Templar. A specially trained cadre of mages who have specialized in counterspells, Mana Clash, and the like would be not only more effective but more sympathetic. Templars don't know what mages have to go through; other mages do. Therefore I believe they would be a better control method than extremist Templars. There needs to be a governing body and enforcement system for mages, but it should be run by mages themselves. And no more mandatory ripping mages away from their families to go to the Circle. The Circle needs to become more like a day school than a boarding school, with breaks, less draconian rules, and free contact with family. And no renouncing all inheritance, nobility, and land for noble mage children. Make mages more like normal people with a specialized course of study. 24.238.240.159 (talk) 16:46, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

In world of DA people are afraid of mages even without templar propaganda. They will never accept them, because they don't want to. Mages are minority of sentient creatures, most people are simple-minded and afraid of forces beyond their comprahension. True problem are demons. In DA:Asunder were experiments of turning mages into normal people. No mage can truly control magic, ancient magisters were so blinded by power and almost destroyed the world. Every mage even tranquil can be possessed by demons and demons are too many and too strong to be exterminated. Mages in Free Marches were so weak-willed that they couldn't deny demon's offer, Anders also became an abomination and couldn't control his corrupted spirit. Now mages and templars only wish nothing but a destruction, they all become to dangerous to live in peace and they will fight until they destroy the world. If any of the sides wins, it will be only worse. Victorious one will use fear of the civillians to rule them and a strong argument will be fact of destroy of the opposite side in this war. I don't say you're wrong or right, I just comment. Template:Unsigned User 78.8.128

I think many people are inclined to go towards the mages but personally I would go with the templars. Yes some of the are zealots, sadists, and prejudiced, however these templars make up only a small portion of the group, most templars may just be like Thrask and want to make sure mages are watched but also safe. Mages are the exact same, each group has it's dark side (Blood mages and Quentins). DA2 was way prejudiced in that it showed the templars in the worse light. I can see the mages point of view, they had no choice in how they were born and some suffer for it. What they tend to forget is that they can shoot lightning and fire from their hands, and demons can possess them and turn them into monsters. Meridith's sister was a child and she wiped out dozens of people when she was possessed. Rules should be set up to ensure mages have some rights, maybe limit templar restrictions, even continue researching methods other then the rite of tranquility, however the circle helps are much as it contains, in Asunder, people were scared of mages and a mage rebellion can't help that. In my book the templars are a necessary evil that protect against a wose alternative --67.164.13.171 (talk) 09:24, August 16, 2012 (UTC)WhyNot8322

Most people are simple-minded and afraid of magic, a force they don't understand and it will never change. They will never accept them and they are far more than mages. Kirkwall is a cursed city full of bandits and villains, a mysterious evil make all inhabitants bastards. Templars in Ferelden were not genocidal villains like those in Kirkwall, but mages in Free Marches were more corrupted and so weak minded that they couldn't deny demons' offers. Mages and templar war is a conflict with no end, the best would be if both sides anihilate each other and only then they stop spreading their sick hatred and war, which causes nothing but a destruction. Template:Unsigned User 78.8.128

Point of fact, the Templars in Ferelden were totally ready to be 'genocidal villains'. They just had a better excuse for it, and were preempted one way or the other by the Warden.--Liam Sionnach (talk) 16:39, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

No, there was no excuse, but a real threat. Uldred was turning mages into abominations to destroy the world, templars had to be ready for anihilation as the worst scenario. Gregoir wished Irving's surive to be sure situation is under control. Meredith was evil, not Gregoir. You're just another crazy mage lover and templar hater. I support none of templars or mages, because I see them both as warmonger and nothing more. I don't care who of them is right or wrong, I simply want end of their idiotic conflict, even if it means extermination of both sides. Victory of any side means catastrophy for the world. I don't want Fiona's Imperium or Lambert's dictatorship, I will kill them both to end this war, if its necessary. Template:Unsigned User 78.8.128

You seem to be assigning me a lot of motivations that I have in no way voiced. Your post, to me, indicated that you thought the Templars in Kirkwall were, as you put it, 'genocidal villains'. I don't disagree with that, they were ready to kill every Mage once the Right of Annulment was invoked. What I disagreed with was you stipulation that the Templars in Ferelden were not, again as you put it, 'genocidal villains'. They also were willing to wipe out all the mages once the Right of Annulment was invoked. I never said they were wrong to do so. From their point of view it was probably the only way to go. Further more, I don't think that Meredith was evil. She was crazy, certainly, but everything she did was motivated from guilt (over her sister who turned into an abomination and killed dozens of people) and determination to protect people. You could even see in a bunch of her cutscenes that it hurt her emotionally to be as strict and cruel as she was to the mages.

As for trying to label me a "crazy mage lover and templar hater", I really have no idea where you're getting that. My posts are pretty consistently neutral. I think that their are good and bad people on both sides, and overall I think that the whole conflict is unfortunate and will hurt a lot people that have nothing to do with either side. My hope for Dragon Age 3 is that the Mage/Templar conflict is not the central focus of the game, but rather something that shapes the setting, and that I won't have to end it by simply picking a side and killing the other side's leader. I also think that it would be reasonable for the secular authorities of Thedas to raise their armies and slap down both sides, because this war may have little to do with them, but it will be fought in their countries anyway.

And finally, hoping that both sides exterminate each other is not morally superior choice to picking one side or the other. I would ask you to get off your high horse, but given the passion of your post, I am assuming you are either role playing, or trolling.--Liam Sionnach (talk) 19:51, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

I agree more with you Liam, but I wouldn't call him a troll. Allowing both sides to wipe each other out can be the morally superior choice IF both sides are evil. However, I don't think either side is evil. Mages and Templars are both made up of human beings, which are flawed. There is a peaceful solution for both sides, but it requires fundamental, positive changes to be made. Only a few people in the series would be able to put those changes into effect. The Warden might be one, depending on that Warden's status. My main character is King of Ferelden, so he would be able to do it. Another could be Hawke. Believe it! (talk) 16:58, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe both sides aren't evil, but they spread war and destruction. I don't care who of them is good or evil, I see them both as too dangerous too radical and too corrupt to live in peace. When 2 guys argue and fight in a cantina guards make them both leave, not the one, who started. Maybe I'm a pesimist, but just I see no good solution for this idiotic war. Template:Unsigned User 78.8.128

Spread war and destruction eh? Then the same could be said of any group, even Fereldens. You can't condemn entire groups of people for the actions of a few bad people within those groups. Besides, my theory is that allowing the war to take place is what will lead to an even larger devestation. Believe it! (talk) 19:45, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Trolling, whining, wars, feuds, occasional raging... yup this sounds just like a political/religious discussion
In my opinion DA2 could have turned out better if they had made the sides a bit more balanced and didn't have so many corrupt templars or blood mages, seriously i couldn't turn a corner without running into a blood mage. They were onto something good but they ballsed it up by having too many extremists (crazy meredith, crazy Anders, Crazy Grace.) I personally would beat commen sense into the extremists (killing them if i had to) untill they agreed to play ball. Maybe set up an isolated place for mages to go, if they have proven they are not blood mages. Then the innocent mages are safe, under supervision of trusted templars. Oh and get rid of the chasity vow, that seems to turn too many templars into raping leechers (example Ser Alrik) and if ones found (same with blood mages) make a very public example of them. That ought to deter them.
You can't have every mage and templar perfect, human/elf nature. There will always be some evil bastards out there. And that is where a large sword or Bianca comes in.
Sheesh i can't half rant and rave.Phoenix96 (talk) 20:04, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Considering everything that's happened on his forum(raging, feuds, that now deleted troll war), I'm honestly surprised this thread hasn't been locked yet. Avg Man (talk) 00:07, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Both sides are made up of people, good and bad. Many templars probably are instilled with a healthy suspicion of mages which is necessary when any mage could indeed give into demons. However I don't believe that many are as brutal as Alrik and Meredith, most are probably like Gregoir and are simply doing their jobs. Many mages are the same, not all of them wanted to pick a fight with the templars, The largest mage group are the Aequitarians which Wynne was a part of, who favored increased leniency in the circle but continued templar involvement. So this war just seems to be the result of extremists like Anders the terrorist and Lambert's overzealous action 67.164.13.171 (talk) 06:09, August 18, 2012 (UTC)WhyNot8322

@Whynot8322 I agree there. Most Templars are just doing what they have been lead to believe is right. The extremists seem to be ones that have had bad experiance of mages, Meredith's sister became an abomination and she watched her slaughter a whole village,this led to her being slightly paranoid(remember she didn't have lyrium idol in act 1)the idol just made it worse, Cullen became untrustworthy because of what Uldred did to him.
I personally believe the Chantry is to blame, they are intent on making mages seem to be dangerous, they make them seem like demons. When really they should be portraying them as people who just need help to keep them safe from Demons. Not monsters that need to be locked up and treated like animals. Mages like Wynne, Dalish Keepers, a mage warden (depending on choices), Malcolm, Bethany and Hawke are proof that mages do not immediately become blood mages or abominations when they take one step into the outside world.
Argh! I need to stop ranting and get sleep asap.Phoenix96 (talk) 21:43, August 21, 2012 (UTC)