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If you take a look at some of our articles, as an example Hawke and Anders; you will see that we have a very lengthy section for quotes (Most probably the lengthiest section in those pages). I know we all like quotes and we all have our personal favorite quotes. But it doesn't mean that we can add all the quotes in the game in that article. I think we need a proper way to handle this, so please feel free to add your ideas regarding this. -- Snfonseka (Talk) 02:22, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

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I think we should dump most quotes to /Dialogue (even if the quotes may not really be dialogues). Trim down to about 10 interesting quotes (I'm very well aware this is rather subjective). If you're unsure if it's interesting, dump it to /Dialogue. The number includes actual quotes and exchanges with another character. I'd advise to only keep the exchanges to a maximum of 3 as they are usually big. --D. (talk · contr) 02:39, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

I'm with User:D-day. I've always liked to keep pages smaller with sublinks to pages of interested such as /Dialogue. However, I like pages to grow organically until such a time when it becomes too big. So, for example, now would be a good time to spin off a page for Dialog for Hawke and Anders. I would even consider spinning Ander's dialog into two pages if one page is too large, or in one page if it is still readable. On another note, I just got home from Florida! Whooo...-- tierrie talk contr 05:34, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
7-10 quotes sounds good to me. They should probably be exemplary of this character's importance to the story, and their personality. Things that need backstory to explain shouldn't belong there, nor should spoiler quotes (which I've seen more than you'd think). I don't think tropes subjective to the relationship with the PC should belong there, either--for instance, no romance or end friendship quotes. Those can go on the Dialog pages. How long should a quote be? My idea is that they're no more than a sentence or two, and don't take up more than a line on the page. Hawke is a special case, though, since almost every quote is going to require some amount of situational personality. EDIT: Also, I don't think exchanges should be in the quotes section. HelterSkelter (talk) 18:03, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
That sounds good to me. If you need to explain the quote and it takes more than two lines, I think it may not have to be featured. As for the length of the quote, I don't seem to recall anything that's very long, but I don't think we should restrict it if it's more than one or two sentences, unless we're talking about a whole monologue (then it's really not a quote anymore). Was there a particular example in mind?
I don't mind removing completely exchanges from the quotes section. --D. (talk · contr) 20:59, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
Well, most of the quotes I can think of are either a monologue or just a few sentences, so not really. I was essentially saying 'monologues seem pointless as quotes'. HelterSkelter (talk) 21:05, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

As HelterSkelter said, I think longer quotes should depend on the importance of the character, i.e Morrigan's "Change is coming..." or Flemeth's "We stand upon the precipice of change..." While these can be considered monologues, I feel that they should remain in the quotes section, as both they and the character that speaks them are significant and memorable. King Cousland (talk) 21:08, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

I opinion is that ten quotes are enough for a single page. Even a particular character appeared in more than one game, the total number of quotes should not exceed ten. -- Snfonseka (Talk) 04:19, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
Hm...good point. Should there be a balance preference towards how many quotes come from which game? HelterSkelter (talk) 05:31, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
This is going to depend on the character. I'd give about 50-50 (perhaps more for Dragon Age II) for Anders. If the character only has a cameo in another game, I think only one quote per game is enough, e.g. Alistair would have 8 quotes for Origins, 1 for Awakening, 1 for Dragon Age II—and that's if anyone thinks the quote should be featured. Otherwise, it should just go to /Dialogue. --D. (talk · contr) 23:40, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

IMO quotes shouldn't have dialogues in them at all. They should just have the lines the character speaks and not an entire conversation. IP no. 59.95.169.10 (talk) 03:58, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

The above user has a point to a certain extent. So we can go for an /Quote page, if required. But then we should have a clear definition regarding what to put to the /Quote page and what to put to the /Dialogue page. -- Snfonseka (Talk) 10:08, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
Although I'm a little late to the party here, this is a discussion that's been had before. At the time the consensus was no more than 10 quotes for regular characters, no more than 15 quotes for companions and no more than 5 dialogue segments for anyone. This is written down here. As there are some characters who don't have a dialogue page, but have dialogue I favour leaving it in character pages, as people here sure love their dialogue. As to what goes where, I don't think we're going to be able to come up with something definitive, but I'd say we aim to use quotes that best illustrate the character, without being spoilery. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 10:15, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps I was too vague because I couldn't get my point across properly. I wasn't suggesting a separate page for quotes at all. What I meant was that we should just have quotes on the character page (a few selective ones as Loleil says) and the rest of the quotes and dialogues together on the dialogue page. Basically that means that on the character page only quotes and no dialogue.
I would however suggest reducing the number of quotes on the character page to make it look less cluttered.IP no. 59.95.169.10 (talk) 13:48, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
I hope no one will mind, if I add those guidelines regarding quotations to the main guidelines, so it will get noticed easily (along with the things we have discussed here). -- Snfonseka (Talk) 16:06, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
Dialogue segments? As in, exchanges between separate characters? I don't know, fifteen quotes plus five exchanges is a lot of lines. I think D-day's suggest of 7-10 makes a bit more sense. The Dialogue pages can hold extra easily. HelterSkelter (talk) 16:11, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
Well I'm actually happy to have no more than 7-10 all up, but the 15 + 5 model is what was used for the Origins characters and that seemed to keep everyone happy. If the consensus here is to have less on all character pages that's not a problem with me. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 07:54, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

It looks like the consensus is a total of 10 quotes (this number includes quotes and exchanges). If there are exchanges included, the maximum of exchanges is 3. The dialogue portions should only be included if they are relevant, like the quotes though. (I would personally give priority to quotes though.)

I think some quotes have been added to quest pages as well; it should follow the same guidelines. --D. (talk · contr) 05:49, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

This is fine and when it comes to "the single character within multiple games", the importancy of the role of that character within that game should be the factor when deciding the number of lines for that game (as discussed above)-- Snfonseka (Talk) 06:57, April 7, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure how I feel about quotes in quest pages, but if we do add them then using the same guidelines makes sense. For characters that appear in multiple games, I think we will probably make things easier for ourselves if we stick to a set number. If we are using 10 for regular characters, maybe we can have a 15-20 limit for characters who appear in multiple versions of the game? Friendship smallLoleil Talk 09:40, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
My opinion is that the 20 as the limit is too much. If we are going to allow higher number for characters that appear in multiple games, I think 15 as the max limit. But, like I said before this is my personal opinion regarding the matter. -- Snfonseka (Talk) 10:24, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
I'm in favour of not having quotes on quest pages at all. After all, people who go there are (far as I can guess) only interested in a walkthrough of the quest, or the rewards, or atmost the characters involved. If they're interested in specific characters, well, most quest pages do have hyperlinks to the character pages first time their names appear.IP no. 59.95.169.10 (talk) 10:44, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
Completely agree with you and here I thought I am the only one who feels like that. I wonder what others think... :) -- Snfonseka (Talk) 13:33, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with removing quotes; it's just that they have been added on some pages (I cannot recall which ones, but I have seen them). Should the quest pages have, or not, a headquote though? --D. (talk · contr) 15:40, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
Not totally against a head quote on a quest page...although I think it'll be too much trouble to come up with one single quote that fits the quest properly. For instance for main quests and other important ones I'm sure we can find quotes but what about small side quests....Still, if it can be done properly, it will add some class to the pages.IP no. 59.95.169.10 (talk) 16:26, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
In the past we decided that only major quests should have a headquote and I think I'd like to stick to that. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 02:57, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
Yea, that's OK and is there anyone who appose removing the quotes (not the head-quote) from quest pages? -- Snfonseka (Talk) 04:54, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
I'm fine with it. HelterSkelter (talk) 05:00, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Something I mentioned earlier but wasn't addressed--should quotes that are specific to the player's relationship with the character be included? For instance, romance or Rivalry quotes? I lean towards no, since it's not indicative of the character as they always are. HelterSkelter (talk) 05:00, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'd say, not as feature quotes. However, they should be included in the /Dialogue page (and they should ideally be marked). Some of the exchanges between companions only occur if a romance is initiated, and while not canon, they are sill relevant. --D. (talk · contr) 05:34, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Also I need to say that it is better if we introduce sub sections under "Quotes"; such as "Sarcastic/ Charming" and "Diplomatic" etc. I think it is better and more organized than giving the dialog type within parenthesis. -- Snfonseka (Talk) 06:29, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean for Hawke's page? I'm not sure it would have much purpose if it was applied to all DAII characters. Friendship smallLoleil Talk 02:49, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, actually I can't believe that I didn't mention that in my post. Even though it was in my mind at that moment, looks like I forgot to add that to my post. -- Snfonseka (Talk) 12:42, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

I have updated the Dragon Age Wiki:Manual of Style regarding quotations. Please let me know if I missed or misinterpret something. -- Snfonseka (Talk) 06:50, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

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