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I recently finished reading The Calling by David Gaider. A few questions have stirred me into thinking the possibility that Fiona could be Alistair's mother. Duncan says he will help raise the baby boy that Fiona brings Maric before departing back to Orlais. Now obviously we all know Alistair lived with the Arl of Redcliffe before he went to the Chantry,but the memory of a child only goes so far back.Non one ever speaks of Alistair's story to much in game and could possibly be a lie since that was the original intent for Maric and Fiona's love child.Maric also expresses with a great deal that he does not wish to tell Loghain which true since Loghain (in-game) does not believe Alistair to be Maric's son. It sets up the perfect amount of time for Alistair to be around the age of twenty-one and Duncan to be in his late thirty's, early 40's in 9:30. Duncan never refers to his time in the Deep Roads with Maric and the rest of the Wardens and Alistair never gives us a name of this mother. Even though Alistair states he has a sibling Goldanna,but meeting her she turns out being in it only for the money that Alistair would receive becoming King of Ferelden(in my opinion). Her story also does not really add up to the event line of the story.Though I could be completely wrong and Maric did decide to bed a servant,though.15 years after Maric sees his half-elven child he is "lost at sea" which in the span of 15 years could give the possibility of Maric bedding a servant,but also alter the age of Alistair and would still leave us the a heir to the throne M.I.A. Either Maric has three children Cailan,Alistair and a half-elf or Alistair is the love child.Can anyone help me answer this burning question? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:00, 20 January 2013‎

This has been debated, over-debated, and then beaten to death previously. Please do a search to see what has been discussed. -Gabriellesig 05:30, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Off topic but relevant to previous post. Granted that this topic has been debated and discussed rather extensivly previously. But what about all the people who came to the game or the books or this wiki later than the hey day of this or any particular discussion? Apparently they have nothing interesting to say and should not be able to say it to anyone else who missed the discussion too. Perhaps someone should put up a list of topics that are closed to discussion for all that can be said about them has been said. Reminds me of the patent office that wanted to close in the 1800's because everything that could be invented had been. What? Is this or any other forum taking valuable resources that are desperately needed someplace else? Where else but here should there be a place where people, those new to the game or those comming back to it are allowed and encouraged to talk about all aspects of the game, over-discussed or no? Given the amount of response to this topic obviously someone wanted to talk about it. If you do not care to discuss this or any topic then don't, but in no way should it not be allowed. One of the great things about the game (more speaking of DAO but that is for another time) is the amount of debate and opinions it encourages, and in all cases intelligent respectful debate and discussion should be fostered, questions should be encouraged. What kind of arrogance must it take for anyone to say to another sentient being "you have nothing valuable to contribute and are not allowed to speak." --Lady Kathlyn (talk) 00:12, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

She is.—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Yeah, you're a bit late on this one. It seems pretty logical that Alistair is Fiona's son. Her wish for her son to think that she was human and dead, the connection to Duncan, and the disparity between Maric's character in the books and the story Alistair is told all point to it. It would be pretty bad writing if Alistair isn't Fiona's son. Of course Gaider hasn't been known for his stellar writing in a while (was he ever? That's a serious question, I can't remember the talk about him before the Dragon Age 2 backlash).--Liam Sionnach (talk) 05:56, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

I looked through at least ten pages with the search engine before I posted. Has it ever been confirmed is what I'm trying to find out actually. I enjoy his writing though is is very bland with description of events and age of characters.—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

I don't believe Fiona is Alistair mother, because I don't want to believe it. I rather think Ali has another long lost sibling. Some people thought it was Anders, but no, his mom gave him a pillow, Fiona wanted her son to think he's mom is dead. There is a small group that thinks Cullen is her son. Besides it was never confirmed Alistair is Fiona's son or not, he doesn't even have her in his family box on his page. No matter, who's her son I think Fiona is a bitch for abandoning her child. She told she wanted to protect Maric's reputation, crap and a pathetic lie, he wanted to protect her reputation and escaped from mother's responsibility. My mother was poor, but never abandoned me, together we changed our situation ofr better. Fiona is nothing like Arianni, she never abandoned her son despite he was human and she was forced to leave her clan, she raised him alone. When problems with magic started, she searched for help desperatelly. My Hawke galdly helped her son to live among Dalish and leave Fade alive. That's my opinion and I don't care if other don't share my view, I won't like or hate them for this. (talk) 08:03, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Right it was never confirmed, that's why I don't say that Alistair is definitely Fiona's son, just that he most likely. Also that I think it would be bad writing to hint so strongly that it's Alistair and then suddenly go "Nope! It's random new guy" or "Nope! CULLEN!!!"- although I'm particularly against the latter because I can't stand Cullen. --Liam Sionnach (talk) 16:18, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
I also don't believe Fiona's son is Cullen, but I don't believe it's Alistair either. What if Fiona simply was pregnant with someone else and simply lied Maric about that's his son. I saw in TV lonely mothers, who decieved their acquaintances about them being fathers, but they did for money, Fiona could simply escape from mother's responisiblity or she didn't want her child being taken by the Chantry. How would it be different from what she did to her child? In both cases her son would be a child with no mother or father, but she willingly wanted her child to live in a lie. She abandoned her child, he wasn't taken from her, there is no excuse for abandoning a child like this. (talk) 16:41, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

I still don't believe Fiona's son is Ali. I do hope Alistair will finally find Maric in DA:Until We sleep and he'll tell him "Alistair, you must know you have a bother, I don't mean Cailan, his name is...". That's what I care about the DA comics, I don't care about Titus or dragon blood in Ali's viens or Izzy's past, just about Maric's revelation to Alistair. (talk) 08:10, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

No, Fiona is not Alistair's mother. I forget the specifics of this topic, but it was found to be impossible that she was his mother. I'll post what I can remember. Um... one obvious problem is Goldanna. Alistair was able to track her down as his half-sister. She was definitely born from the maid, and she remembers her mother being pregnant. She also raised questions about the baby and was given money to go away. Her mother died. Now, if Alistair was Fiona's child, then this maid would still have died giving birth. So in that case, where is her real baby? Maric and Eamon would have actually had to do something with this baby. That is, unless the child died as well. Even so why would Maric and Eamon drag an actual woman into this hoax? Why wouldn't they just say that Alistair was left at the castle and abandoned, or discovered on the side of the road by knights? If the maid was not Alistair's mother then it created a problem where there need not be one. This would only cause people to ask questions, which is what happened. The only way they would go with this story is if it was the truth. Think about this. Why would Maric make up a story about him knocking up a servant women to explain Alistair's existence? That only makes Maric look like adulterer (which he was). Loghain's concern was that Rowan would be made to look like a concubine, which is why Alistair was sent away with Eamon. So why would Maric claim fatherhood to Fiona's child by saying he cheated on Rowan with the maid? It kind of defeats the purpose of denying connection with the child doesn't it? The only way they would say that is if it were the truth. Now if Maric were trying to deny connection with Fiona's child, he could have simply said that the baby was of a friend that he fought side by side with years ago, and the parents (plural) entrusted their child to Maric because they knew he would help them out. THAT is an easy lie that no one would question, and it does not involve any other REAL person. So my stance is this, Maric knocked up Fiona as well as the maid. Alistair is the child of Maric and the maid. Fiona's child is someone other than Alistair. Someone we have not seen yet in the present day. Believe it! (talk) 19:48, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

I support thinking Alistair isn't Fiona's child, but you're wrong about some points. Rowan died before Maric met Fiona, he's a womanizer, but never cheated anyone. Some people think maid's baby died and was replaced by Alistair, I don't believe in such coincidences. The maid was poor, so she accepted offer of money for lying. If Maric really tried to hide maid's or Fiona's baby he would destroy all evidences of connections with those babies, so he couldn't lose his reputation of Ferelden Liberator. I believe Maric slept with many women and Alistair isn't Fiona's child, but the maid's child. I believe Alistair has another long lost brother, who's Fiona's child. (talk) 20:13, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
It isn't that I'm wrong, I simply forgot about that extra bit of information. Now that you brought that up I remember more of why Fiona can't be Alistair's mother, because the timing didn't work. But in regard to Maric being an adulterer, he did indeed cheat on Rowan with the maid, and that is why Loghain will have that discussion with you should you spare him in Origins. So that is another striking difference between the background of Fiona's child and the maid's child. You are right that the maid's baby dying would be too much of a coincidence, and like I stated above, if Maric was trying to hide the origin of Fiona's child then he would not have dragged a real woman into the lie and say it was her child. The stories don't match up. As for those saying that it HAS to be this way because it's so similar to Alistair's story, you're just going to have to accept the fact that Gaider just copied Alistair's story from Origins and changed it up a bit. Yeah, it's unoriginal, but that's what it is. It's the same old story applied to a new character. Believe it! (talk) 21:56, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
Don't look at the timing too hard, because they already messed it up in Stolen Throne, before any of the Fiona/Alistair stuff got going. As for Loghain, of course he'd be overly sensitive about protecting Rowan's reputation- the dude was in love with her, and frankly I'm not sure he was in on it (at least not until much later). I don't trust his opinion at all. As far as Goldanna goes, all you have there is the 20 some year old vague memories of a child who was grieving her mother. I think that her mother's death and the arrival of Alistair probably happened right around the same time (possibly on purpose) and she was confused. I could be wrong, I'll admit that but I don't think there is any evidence that definitively debunks the Alistair/Fiona relationship.--Liam Sionnach (talk) 22:17, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
We simply have no official proof to confirm this or deny it. Still I don't believe Ali is her son. On page Ages are chronological events, but events of the Calling aren't clearly presented. On page of Dragon Age: The Calling it's said it happens 11 years after liberation of Ferelden, but we all know chronology in Calling was messed. If the novel happens in 9:11, then Fiona's child must be 19 during events of DAO, in 9:30, Alistair looks older, but characters are modeled and their ages aren't shown properly. (talk) 22:47, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

How do people get Cullen as a possiblity? Alistair and Anders I can see reasons why or even a new character but why Cullen? Sure he was given to the Chantry like any Templar (or mage) but couldn't it therefore be (nearly) any of them? Gowihasti (talk) 06:08, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

I do not believe that Goldanna is Alistair's actual sister. I had said she was only interested in the coin Alistair would get for becoming King. Her attitude towards her "Long Lost" brother are far from what I would see actually happening if that was truly his sister.Goldanna could have easily been lied to by the guards or paid off by the Arl of Redcliffe to believe the story she was told. It is very possible that she could be used to twist up the lie about Alistair's actual mother.On Alistair's family page there is no mother that shows up. Fiona is the only possibility it matches up with the similar age that Alistair is in Dragon Age Origins and goes along with the Age of Cailan and Duncan as well. Anders is clearly NOT a possibility since he is clearly from Anderfels thus his "Nickname".Cullen seriously...That is when the mind of fangirls have gone to far..It is highly unlikely that Cullen is the child,I think Cullen is around his later twenty's or even later thirty's in Origins completely destroying the time line. That is why I believe it is Alistair I spent a number of hours researching the years trying to track down the possibility of any of the character's who it could possibility be all who do not have mother's and would be born in the same time frame as Maric and Fiona's love child. Alistair is the only one with the most uncertain background and also has a ton of blank spots in his background. Now I haven't read comic or anything else just the books so far.—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

You know, the argument about spending hours researching that is meant to be in your favour, only makes me think of this meme that goes "This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time." First of all, we are never given the age of Duncan in the game, nor Cailan's, nor Anders, if I am not mistaken. So any research is baseless, and the only foundation in the theory is the visual design of the mentioned characters.
Now, Just because Goldanna is only interested in the money, doesn't mean she's not his sister. Blood doesn't automatically mean you're to care for and love your relatives. Just look at Bhelen. Would you say he's not actually an Aeducan because he only wants power?
And lastly, after Fiona left the Deep Roads, she could have easily gone to Andefels, give birth, and give the child away to the Chantry before submitting to the Circle. Or just go to the Circle in the first place, where she gave birth and her child was taken to a randomly selected chantry, i.e. what happened to Rhys. Henio0 (talk) 13:14, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

This is from Fiona's page:

Months later, following a recall to Weisshaupt to debrief the other Wardens about the Architect, Fiona traveled to Denerim with Duncan to meet with King Maric. Fiona explained that she was called to Weisshaupt to lead a search for the Architect, while Duncan was stationed to Ferelden as second-in-command. But the true reason for Fiona's journey had been to reveal to Maric that she had his child, and to exact a promise from Maric that their son would be told his mother was a human and had died, while Duncan promised to watch over him.

So let me ask all of you bashing Fiona for giving up her son, what kind of mother could she be if the majority of her time was spent in the Deep Roads searching for the Architect? There is a very good reason why Grey Wardens are so strongly discouraged from starting families. A family would prevent them from doing their duty as a Grey Warden to fight the Darkspawn. I don't blame Fiona for giving the child up, but I do blame her for having the child in the first place. She should never have slept with Maric, and if she and Maric were so weak minded that they couldn't control their animal urges, they at least should have taken precautions to prevent a pregnancy. I also blame Maric for washing his hands of the child. If he was so worried about the child challenging Cailan's right of succession, he could have come up with about a hundred stories to ensure that would never happen, while still being able to care for the child properly.--Jay9 (talk) 13:55, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

She abandoned her child and even wanted him to live in a lie. That's not for his protection, he escaped from responsibility. Parents are both guilty of their child's existence excpet for rape. Fiona left Wardens and returned to the Circle, she abandoned her child for Wardens and she abandoned the Order to lead this idiotic war. She has no right to be called mother, true mothers care about their children no matter what, she escaped from responsiblities and duties of mother. Duncan said he'll look after the child, they were also grey wardens, it's just giving care of child to a baby sitter than taking care of child. Nothing explains Fiona's abandoning own child. Arianni is an example of mother, she left Dalish to raise her human son, Fiona complicated everything. I refuse to believe Alistair is her son, because I simply don't want to believe it. There are no offical confirmations and Ali's page lacks of Fiona as his mom, that's only theory and nothing more without official confirmation or solid evidences. (talk) 16:17, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
So we can both agree that Fiona is a terrible person, we just disagree on the reasons why she is a terrible person. In my opinion a Grey Warden's duty comes first. Fighting the Darkspawn to prevent and/or stop a Blight should always be a Warden's primary concern. Far above any other concerns a Warden might have. That's why Warden's aren't supposed to have families, and I'll bet that's why most Wardens limit their friends to other members of the Order. Families interfere with a Warden's primary duty, even if they don't mean to. If a Warden's mind is on his family when he's fighting Darkspawn, he'll soon end up dead. Also, how can a Warden protect all the people of Thedas if he values one person, even if that person is a child, above all others? He might sacrifice the lives of innocents to save that one person. That's why I think it was right for Fiona to give the child up. She was being recalled back to Weisshaupt to search the Deep Roads for the Architect. Even if she wanted to be a mother to child, her duties as a Grey Warden would have prevented it. No, I don't blame Fiona for giving the child up, but she never should have had the child to begin with. That's what I blame her for.--Jay9 (talk) 17:21, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
Duncan's promise is to look in on the child every so often to make sure he's alright not to actually raise him. No hypocracy there. And I think that you're forgetting that Fiona is a truly damaged individual. She was enslaved and abused at from a young age because she was an elf. She only escaped that fate because she was a mage, but as soon as she did she was sent to a Circle to be taught that her powers made her a danger to everyone so she has to be locked up forever. And she only escaped that fate by becoming a Grey Warden, a job which requries you to figt horrible monsters for the rest of your life and then die an early death hopefully before becoming so tainted that the Darkspawn no longer want to kill you. And from all she knew of Maric, being royal made his life completely miserable. She was trying to give her child the best life she could, and it was clearly upsetting her a great deal to do so, I don't think it's fair to say she was just trying to escape from her responsibilities.--Liam Sionnach (talk) 17:01, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
Save it, it doesn't work on me. I never said anything about hypocrisy. Giving own child under care of someone else is only ensuring the child won't have normal life. Child with no parents naver have normal life and her previous life has nothing to do with this. Arianni had harder life and preserved her son and Fiona abandoned her one, before he was born. In Orlais elves are not slaves like in Tevinter, they are forced to live in poor, Fiona was a child, when she was taken to the Circle, she's not damaged, she spent childhood in the Circle not alienage, so don't tell she's a damaged person. (talk) 17:11, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
Alright, clearly this is a deeply held belief on your part and nothing I say is going to change your mind. We'll have to agree to disagree on Fiona's character and her decision to give up her son. That said, there's no way that Arianni had a harder life than Fiona. It doesn't sound like you've read The Calling, but you can go check out Fiona's page if you don't believe me. She was kept as a sex slave by an Orlesian nobleman until her magic manifested and she killed him. I wasn't confusing Orlais with Tevinter, it's just that what the nobleman was doing was illegal, not that that distinction helped Fiona at all.--Liam Sionnach (talk) 03:12, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
It didn't change my mind even a bit. She abandons her child and even doesn't want him to know about her. That's how she's escaping from responsibilty. (talk) 08:30, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
Except that Fiona didn't "escape from responsibility" as you put it. Her first and by far biggest responsibility was to the Wardens. I still maintain that Fiona's only mistake was having the child to begin with, not for giving it up. She essentially gave the child up for adoption. Do you believe that all parents who give their children up for adoption are scumbags? Also, there is no way that Arianni had a harder life than Fiona. Was Arianni ever kept as a sex-slave? No. Was she ever kept in a Circle Tower where every Templar was just waiting for an excuse to murder her? No. Was she ever forced to drink Darkspawn blood? No. Did she have to spend weeks, maybe even months at a time in the Deep Roads fighting Dawkspawn? No. I mean no disrespect to you, but maybe you should read The Calling. Or if you already have read it, maybe you should read it again.--Jay9 (talk) 23:38, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

@ Jay9 (talk). Arianni was Dalish and had a human son, so she abandoned her clan to raise her boy. Fiona abandoned her child before he was born. I don't say she should leave the wardens, but I simply think Arianni is more a mother than Fiona. Wardens can leave the Order, but it rarely happens. Alistair abandoned Wardens to become a king, when hostile Nathaniel in Epilogue can abandon the wardens, because it doesn't suit him (He's my favorite companion, I so I make him my friend and he remains in the Order). That's why I respect Arianni more than Fiona. Fiona also speaks of her mages like about a family, when she rejected her own, that's hypocrisy. (talk) 17:41, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

Correction: Arianni left her clan to pursue a romance with an Antivan merchant, Vincento. Feynriel is just an unfortunate by-product. But I do give her credit for taking care of the boy.--Jay9 (talk) 03:20, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
No, Arianni romanced Vincento and when she gave birth her son, neither Vincento or her clan wanted her child, she was left by Vincento and clan gave her a hard choice - abandon her child and return to clan or leave the clan. She loved her child and choosed the letter option. Those are her words. (talk) 07:46, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
Difference being that Fiona couldn't leave the wardens to be a mom. She's a Mage, when she leaves the wardens she goes back to the circle and the chantry would have taken him.Liam Sionnach (talk) 18:32, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Alistair is and is not Fiona's son.

Let me clarify: In Dragon Age: Origins, Alistair was not Fiona's son. You must remember; no one expected DA:O to take off like it did, and as such once people realized how popular the game actually was, they started adding on new lore and such. As such, there is a bit of a disconnect, in some places, between the first game and the expanded media. See also: Anders being in two places at the same time. As far as I am concerned, DA:O was intended to be a standalone game, with maybe one or two minor expansions, before it was decided to turn the game into a big franchise. Alistair is a minor casualty of this decision. The OP is correct to assume that the ending of The Calling does allude almost directly to Alistair, and anyone who says otherwise is either in denial or extremely thick. But it's also probably true that, barring the book, Alistair would probably have been the son of whoever Goldanna's mother was. It's fairly simple to write off Goldanna and Alistair as mildly confused, and say Loghain was lying or talking about Rowan in the past tense, but it's also easy to just say the writers made a boo boo and call it a day. Rathian Warrior (talk) 17:50, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Except it isn't just added on lore. According to this very wiki, Dragon Age: The Calling was released October 13th, 2009. Dragon Age: Origins wasn't released until November 3rd, 2009, a full three weeks after the book. I think Gaider does intend for Fiona to be Alistair's mom. Why he doesn't come flat out and say it, is anyone's guess.--Jay9 (talk) 23:16, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Something just hit my brain. Ok, so Fiona is NOT Alister's mother. That leaves her child still out there somewhere. This raises many possible outcomes. So say the math is right and This child was in his late teens during Origins. OK, so after Dragon Age 2. That would put him in his late twenties early thirties. This child is not only a possible mage, but also one of the Theirin Bloodline. Meaning they could lay claim to the throne. Let's look at other information. Dragon Age 3 is going to have a new main character. Human. It could be this child, or if you remember them at BioWare saying that something BIG was coming. This child could be the facilitator of this big threat that is on the horizon. Because I do not believe this big threat is the war between mages and templars. It has something to do with Sandal's prophecy. There are a lot of ways to take the situation of Fiona's child and I like them. GreyWolf84 (talk) 21:18, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

You missed to mention that Fiona's child is a male, protagonist of DA3 cannot be Fiona's child, because the Inquisitor will be either male or female option. I suspect Feynriel as a human with elven blood was some kind of overshadow or simply a reference to DA:Calling. There is also one thing - blood of Theirins. Cailan's corpse was in Ostagar whole time, Flemeth had enough of time to take his blood for her ancient ritual. If she didn't then with Cailan's burned body she'll have no acces to his blood. Flemeth will be more interested in Fiona and Maric's son because of his blood. With Cailan and Alistair out of reach, their long lost brother will be last chance for blood. Just speculation, but I don't believe Ali is Fiona's son, because I simply don't want to. Morrigan said her mom is a threat Warden should be afraid of. (talk) 21:43, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

How Arianna and Fiona both in a sentence together involving this post is beyond irrelevant to my post.I have done the math and everyone else is inaccurate. I have narrowed down every possibility of there even being a half sibling that is actually related to Goldanna which if anyone knew anything about genealogy then they would clearly already know that if there being a third child born from the maid that it would still be Alistair's half sibling along with Cailan's half sibling so it could be true that Alistair is her half brother Cailan is as well by default being they all have the same father different mother's. Actually yes Maric could easily pay anyone to do whatever he wants or order them he's the King(to cover up the birth of a Warden's child). I also do believe that this could be a terrible writing from the author. Though doing simple adding and subtracting to figure out the age of a character with the information given is extremely easy if you know where to look and allowed yourself to think about it. I don't speak unless I know it could be fact or truth behind it. There are things about Duncan and the way Alistair speaks of him that point to the fact Duncan may have had a hand in raising Alistair. Alistair doesn't play a light hand when speaking about Duncan,but makes a wise crack about his half-brother's body and the smell. Now will we ever know probably not,but it was a shot in the dark to see if there was any truth to my thoughts.

Whoops. The above post wasn't mine. Don't know how it ended up being signed by me, but I removed my signature. My bad.--Jay9 (talk) 21:18, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
Arianni and Fiona are simply compared as mothers. Everyone can compare anything to anything. (talk) 07:46, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so Jay9 hath spoken and apparently he's the only one right. Can we move on from this overbeaten topic? The horse is dead, don't beat it. -Gabriellesig 04:24, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, as I said the above post wasn't mine. Don't know who it belongs to, but I somehow ended up signing it myself. Sorry for the confusion, and no disrespect to anyone.--Jay9 (talk) 21:18, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
@GabrielleduVent, If Jay9 is absolutelly correct, then why on Alistair's page isn't Fiona mentioned in his infobox? Answer is simply, because it's unconfirmed speculation and Gaider never confirmed Alistair is or isn't Fiona's son. People believe in what they want to believe and have imagination, they are free to do so. (talk) 08:01, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

On the subject of Fiona being a bad mother for giving her child away, I took it that the Wardens basically forced single parents to give their kids away; also it seems to me they want to encourage you to leave your spouse and kids in the past completely with the whole dying early and everything. So its not exactly her choice she just took him to Maric to make sure he got placed somewhere his father was satisifed with and she was satisfied iwth on her conditions, the last part is her choice entirely however. Gowihasti (talk) 08:19, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Satisfaction and being a bad or good mother are 2 completelly different things. Who cares, if she's satisfied? It was her choice, she could give her child to the Chantry orphanage. Result is the same - a child with no mother around lied about origin, that's not for protection of him, it's for her life keeping as easy as it is, she wanted to avoid complictions. She even wants her child to live in a lie, his mom was a human, that's a escape. Malcolm Hawke escaped from the Circle to find a wife, Fiona also could escape, but she didn't. She abandoned her child for the wardens and she left the order for the circle. She doesn't even bother what happens to her child. (talk) 08:37, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Alistair is Fiona's child, but I hope he is. David Gaider has stated that what was said about the timing in Origins was incorrect, so it's not impossible (the link is in one of the articles here). The "Fiona is a terrible person and I blame her for having a child and she's a terrible mother and who cares about whether she's satisfied" viewpoints are uncomfortable, for me, to read. They seem to throw any shred of kindness, compassion, empathy or benefit-of-the-doubt out of the window in favour of reducing human nature and complexity and simple 'making a decision when you're in a tough situation and are trying to do your best' down to black-and-white, right-and-wrong, making-a-perceived-mistake-means-you-may-never-be-forgiven scenarios.

We know that Fiona can't raise a child as either a Grey Warden or a mage (or as an apostate - it can't be easy to stop and feed and safely bathe a newborn while hiding in a bush from the templars hunting you using your phylactery). So her next step is to look to Maric's family for the child's home, not some Chantry orphanage. Given that she is an elf and the child will be considered a bastard, having the child raised openly by Maric would also not be possible. So her next option then seems to be to have him raised secretly by Maric's relatives. They agree, and by keeping his true identity secret, he is kept safe. That sounds like she was doing the best she could for her child, out of limited options. -Sophia (talk) 11:25, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

When I don't believe Alistair is Fiona's child and I don't want him to be and I hope he'll never be. (talk) 17:54, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
Uncles and aunts don't want to look after their nephews and nieces, because they see them as burdens. Realtives don't care about each other in fact. Malcolm Hawke escaped from the cricle and hid well enough for 24 years. One thing is sure Fiona abandoned her child. I heard many stories about abandoned children, who seeked revange on their parents for abandoning them. (talk) 17:52, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
YOU MAY NOT edit my posts. I've put them back to how they were. -Sophia (talk) 10:00, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
This anon simply wanted to keep context - answer next t every point. (talk) 13:03, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
Did they? Gosh, thank you. I'm such a drooling idiot, I would never have guessed in a million years that that's what their purpose was. There are other instances where posters have made several points, and others have made a short reference to the specific part they're replying to. It is not necessary (or permitted, except in the Wiki's articles) to change another person's words. I know this particular instance may seem trivial, but trusting that someone else won't alter or misrepresent my words is important to me, and to most users of this Wiki, I'm sure. It's irrelevent whether you, or anyone else, thinks the scale of the alteration is too small to mention - it's not okay. I only regret derailing the thread rather than taking it to a talk page, but I wasn't sure if, as an anon, they'd see it. And now, I'll try to stop looking like an overreacting, hysterical loon! -Sophia (talk) 13:44, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
No need for irony. (talk) 14:19, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Goldanna not really Alistair's sister?

I was just playing through the Chronicles of Darkspawn, and after killing Goldanna in the Market, her codex updated. What is interesting, is that it says that Alistair BELIEVED her to be his sister. It doesn't say she WAS his sister. What do you think about that, now, eh? A food for thought.

Henio0 (talk) 01:32, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Nice point about the codex. Someone earlier (forgive me for not going back) but said something about the Goldana story must be true why else tell it. The bigger question is how does anyone including Alistair even know? If he is Fiona's son he was never supposed to know who his father was. Seems to be a badly kept secret. Everyone knows including Loghain (who if Alistair fights the duel will mention him having some of Maric in him) I think he figured it out. He looks a lot like Cailan, but I think that he looks even more like Maric, notice how no one questions that he's Maric's son. Alistair starts asking questions and now they need a cover story, so they go back to a maid (and child) who died in childbirth a year or two before he shows up (and while Rowan is still alive). Why does Goldana think that one Maric was the father of her mother's child and two that he took advantage of her, which he didn't, he isn't the type. Alstair says that his mother was a 'star-struck maid' who may have told everyone that Maric was the father either because she was delusional or to get some type of support or shut-up money. Or Goldana heard her mother talking about Maric and figured that he was the father. Goldana seems the type to blame someone for her problems so she blames the child and the one whe thinks knocked up her mother, as opposed to the mother she loved and lost. Over the years her bitterness colored the story. Another thing notice how there were rumors he was the Arls' son but no rumors that he was Maric's which there would be if he was the son of the maid. Another thing, neither Eamon nor Teagan seem to bear any ill-will to Alistair which they might if he was conceived when Rowan was alive, they even 'adopt' him. Lastly if you read the books Maric is not the type to cheat on Rowan, or take advantage of star stuck maids. One thing this games does right is the psychology. P.S. And it can't be Cullen, he is 24 in DAO, he is too old. --Lady Kathlyn (talk) 03:25, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

This codex is not canon just like Herren turning into desire demon or Leliana as Alistair's lover. The codex doesn't proove Ali was Goldana's borther but it also doesn't disproove it, it's just a simple sentence. I don't believe Alistair is Fiona's son, I believe Alistair has another long lost brother. I hope in DA:Until We Sleep Maric will finally say the truth. (talk) 07:42, January 27, 2013 (UTC)