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Would anyone like to take a big stick and beat all the categories into submission? :) -- tierrie talk contr 03:18, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

That's a lot of beating. D: I'm not sure for what purposes you have in mind though... (but I can think of a few). --D. (talk · contr) 04:11, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
Just trying to get them organized. There's just so many redundant ones. Hey, did I ever tell you that you're the most awesome editor ever?! I mean, if I had to pick someone to do that... I'd say you would be the best choice! :D -- tierrie talk contr 04:20, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
Just found out that there's a Category:Hale Rune which includes all the Hale Runes. Good. Then there's Category:Frost Rune which only included 2 of the Frost Runes. What? And then, none of the other runes have a category. WHAT?!
Then some runes like Grandmaster Dweomer Rune have their recipes included while others like Grandmaster Frost Rune don't. I am about to have an aneuryism. -- tierrie talk contr 21:23, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
Some of the Poison Making recipes and Poison items have the same problem. Some like Concentrated Venom don't have anything listed while others have Concentrated Crow Poison have ingredients manually listed (instead of pulling it from the recipe page). And others like Master Health Poultice call the recipe page instead of linking to it. Need bot. Need bot badly ;) -- tierrie talk contr 21:30, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
Alright, alright, I'll be the janitor. :P I too have noticed there's little consistency on how pages get categorized. I can see why some pages get categorized in the parent and the subcategory for those who want to see all weapons in all games. Category:Equipment is fine, Category:Items is not (some items are included, some aren't). It can get quite ridiculous if we decide to include all items in the items category. So the question is: when do you stop categorizing them?
Some images are categorized in these categories. I prefer that images stay out of article categories, and be in Category:Images. I tend to navigate through the categories, and although pictures can be appealing for users to see them, it makes categories much larger than they should (see Category:Characters). And there are those who are visiting the wiki with a poor connection, or those who are tired of seeing the same pictures just to get to the other page. Less clicking, less loading.
For the crafted items, aren't they supposed to be transcluding the recipe? I saw runes pages did, so I did the same for recipes in Awakening when I created the pages. Which one is the correct one?
Also, I don't know if you guys had anything in mind on how to seperate DAO and DA2. And of course, there's the whole capitalization/plural issue to keep things consistent that I'll do once I get the chance to. --D. (talk · contr) 22:14, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
I don't have a strong opinion about transcluding recipes - I prefer to keep the item page item specific with a link to the recipes. And the recipe page should be the one containing the ingredients. But, I also see the merit of cutting out another page click for the user who wants to know what the ingredients are. I've seen your work and I like it. If you take ownership of this project than you do what you think is best - so long as it is consistent I don't have a problem with either. So, if you remove the ingredients from the item page and leave a link to the recipe that's fine. Or if you choose to transclude the recipe that's fine too.
I seldom browse by categories, so I am not a good person to be doing any form of categorization. I usually link through in mainspace and read the main articles and click through the links there. I read pages like Armor instead of Category:Armor so that's what I want to focus on. Right now, I am going to look through the notes I made on GFF a while ago and try to reverse the MerchantTableRow and generate an automatic list of "Acquisition" subsection. -- tierrie talk contr 22:24, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
What do you think about Category:Origins armor runes and Category:Awakening armor runes with each either category belonging to Category:Armor runes and Category:Origin runes respectively? Bulky? Cool? Unwieldy? -- tierrie talk contr 22:27, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
For the categorization, I have a very different approach on how categories should be used, which is very much like how Wikipedia handles it. It does not mean that it is the best way to do it everywhere else (well, I personally think it does, but this is my opinion, heh). I know a lot of wikis do it, categorizing an article in every category possible (which again, can get quite ridiculous). Although I like to think this is the best way to do it, it may not be what other users think since it can affect the way they navigate through the wiki.
It's a bit weird to say "taking ownership of this project" for the recipes, since anyone can do it if they want to. However, I can probably do some of these things with my bot. Perhaps, for the item itself, another style should be used to display that information (not something too wide, because the table looks terrible with the new skin; all tables will look clutter).
For the runes categories, I'm on the fence for now. If we're doing it for runes, it should be done with weapons, armor and items. It is done with Leliana's Song.
Also, although it has yet to come, categories somehow become more important with the new skin as they appear on the top of the article (only two popular categories do for each article). I don't understand why, but then again, this is Wikia we are talking about. This is something to keep in mind. --D. (talk · contr) 23:36, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
You're right. "Taking ownership" sounds a little odd in the context of wiki. However, most of our biggest projects in the past were efforts of interested individuals - Dragon Age Wiki:Project Juggernaut and Dragon Age Wiki: Project Genitivi were both efforts that used bots to fill in a lot of blanks that would otherwise included by people. And lets face it, its really tedious to enter each Helmet, Chainmail Helm, etc individually. Once the project was done, then, anyone is free to go in and make additional changes and add notes. This isn't a policy by any means, but, in return, its frowned upon impolite to go in and make changes to the pages while the project is ongoing. If they had changes to make, there's had every opportunity to make those changes before, and they will have opportunities to make those changes after. At the very least, the author/project will set a precedence that others will copy as an example. -- tierrie talk contr 00:07, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
I definitely understands for big projects, althoug the current task is rather small compared to the ones you have linked! Anyway, I'll transclude the recipes (probably this weekend), but, in the event that it is decided that they shouldn't (before or after it is done), just leave me a message so I can quickly remove them. I'm still thinking as for the categories: I'll post proposed changes when I have a clearer structure of it. --D. (talk · contr) 21:22, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
That's your call. I like a project scope. It tells others what I am about to do. But most importantly to me, it tells me when to stop. When I take something on, I have a bad tendency towards feature creep. I find myself starting something simple that eventually turns into a giant behemoth. So, when I write a project I can point others to it and say "hey I did that" and also, when I stop, I feel like I accomplished something.
That is just something I do to keep myself from going overboard. If you can do without it, then you're already a better editor than I am :)
As for the item vs item recipe transclusion, whatever you think is best will work. -- tierrie talk contr 22:45, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Categories structureEdit

This is what I believe would work best on the wiki. Please note that this is not a definitive nor complete list as it will be changed after further observation and suggestions.

I'll be taking care of moving pages to proper category with my bot (if anyone wants to help, they are welcomed to), but an administrator must either delete the category or create a redirect. Some categories are linked from forum and talk pages. I'm uncomfortable with updating links in forum posts because a lot of threads will get bumped by doing so. I believe the only way to do so is to archive old forum posts, but I haven't tested it.

If no one gives any feedback/answer after two weeks, I assume that I am given the green light to do what I am proposing. --D. (talk · contr) 21:34, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

ArticlesEdit

ImagesEdit

This is a long-term project, adding categories to images. In order to do this, I need to move them to Category:Images before I can organize them (this is because of a limitation regarding Special:UncategorizedFiles. The current image category looks fine, it just need to be expanded or renamed in some cases. Since there are images released for DA2, these categories are separated between Dragon Age and Dragon Age 2.

  • Images: for all images that have not been categorized either because its respective category has yet to be created. This is the default category.
    • Concept art
      • Dragon Age (#) concept art:
    • Icons
      • Dragon Age icons: icons which should be extracted from the toolset (including Origins, DLCs and Awakening as they tend to use the same icon)
        • Dragon Age achievements icons
        • Dragon Age talent icons
        • Dragon Age skill icons
        • Dragon Age spell icons
        • Dragon Age UI icons
    • Screenshots
      • Dragon Age (#) screenshots: any type of screenshots that do not fall in the following categories.
        • Dragon Age armor images: images that specifically depict them (usually on armor pages)
        • Dragon Age weapon images: images that specifically depict them (usually on weapon pages)
        • Dragon Age item screenshots: images that specifically depict any items
        • Dragon Age codex screenshots: images that specifically depict a codex entry
    • Wiki images: anything Wiki-related, this goes from the layout to icons that were created for the wiki. This means, if an image has been heavily modified to fit pages on the wiki (e.g. spoiler pictures or character icons for gifts), it will go there. Screenshots that are used for infoboxes will go to Screenshots.
    • User images: images that have been uploaded by users that are not used in article mainspace edits (usually posted on their userpage).

Screenshots may be expanded in the future. Right now, I am only planning on armor and weapons, because I'm not sure how to deal with other pictures yet.

I will also be looking for duplicates. If there are any, I'll be adding them in Duplicate images. I won't actually make the category for now, but perhaps it may be used in the future. Picture may appear in this category as well as another subcategory.

Once this is done, I'll be adding the appropriate image licenses and tags for images (which will be explained in due time). This task is at the very bottom of my priority list. --D. (talk · contr) 21:34, October 8, 2010 (UTC)


I don't completely understand what you're proposing. Could you give some examples? Lets say you have a picture of the Alistair wearing the Blood Dragon Armor. What would be the cats for that? -- tierrie talk contr 23:28, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
This is going to depend how the image is depicted (i.e. cropped) and used. If it's just a picture like File:Blood dragon armor.jpg, then it definitely goes to Dragon Age armor images. It can be included within another category like Alistair images or something like that if a category for important characters must be created (I know about Category:Alistair).
If it's unclear where it should go, it will simply go in Dragon Age screenshots. If the picture depicts Alistair in Blood Armor, the Warden and Dog, it's considered a screenshot, since the primary focus is not Alistair in Blood Dragon armor. So this is at the discretion of the uploader or the editor.
However, I have just realized there will be confusion regarding if the screenshot depicts an armor and a weapon, e.g. Alistair in Blood Armor with the Blightblood and Sten with the Butterfly Sword. Although I technically would categorize the former in both categories, and the latter in weapon only, the category can be renamed to "Dragon Age items screenshots" (broader) or "Dragon Age equipment screenshots" (less so). I think that would better.
The way WoWWiki categorizes images is very much what I have in mind. --D. (talk · contr) 00:31, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Bioshock also has a good image category. --D. (talk · contr) 15:42, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
So lets use that example again of say Sten using Blood Dragon Armor and the Butterfly Sword in combat. Would you then use "Dragon Age Origins screenshot", "Dragon Age Origins armor", "Sten" and "Dragon Age Origins weapon"? Or just "Dragon Age Origins screenshot"? -- tierrie talk contr 18:36, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Since I'm reconsidering "armor images" and "weapon images" to "item screenshots" instead, so it would instead go to "item screenshots", "Sten" (if it's really used). As for "screenshots", this is going to depend if we include them in parent/child category. I would personally just include them in "item screenshots", not "screenshots", in order to reduce the category's size. There are always going to be exceptions, but in a nutshell, that would be how I would go for categorizing the screenshots. --D. (talk · contr) 19:07, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

It's been over two weeks, so my bot will soon be moving all uncategorized images to Category:Images first, then I will sort them out. I won't separate screenshots yet (in regards to "item screenshots"). The list I have made is still not complete (I haven't had time to think about it), so there's still more that will be added.

On a somewhat related note, Wikia had apparently made it possible to make some images not appear in the photo gallery box seen on the sidebar. However, there's currently no documentation on how to do it, and it is restricted to administrators only. --D. (talk · contr) 19:51, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how to make some images appear or not appear either. Is it images that are "used" in this wiki? Or images that exist on this wiki? Also, thanks for handling the categorization. I really appreciate that :) -- tierrie talk contr 19:22, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
I don't know either. I awaiting an answer on the Community Central forums, but if it takes too long to get a reply, I'll contact a Wikia staff regarding this. I haven't seen an option to do this either (there's also one for the categories that show up as "read more" for articles, again restricted to administrators), so I'm wondering if it isn't implemented yet for some unknown reasons. Any uploaded images that aren't too small will show up on the wiki, regardless if they are used or not. --D. (talk · contr) 19:56, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

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