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Hi. I was wondering about the original human tribes of Thedas and I could not find any mention about tribe of black people. They represent great portion of the population of Feralden, Free Marches, Orlais and basicly all the Thedas and I was wondering where are they originaly from. I am no lore master obviously, but I know Ferelden is supposed to refelct Britain, Orlais France, Tevinter Rome, so I was wondering where is DA equivalent of Mali or Ethiopia. Thanks.

--Vavrinko (talk) 17:33, October 19, 2017 (UTC)

There are no black people in Thedas. Race is a cultural construct that exists in our world, not theirs. Humans in Thedas have mages and elves to hate, they don't need to get nick-picky about skin tone.

Mali and Ethiopia are African countries. Thedas is based on medieval Europe, so I doubt they will be represented. Rivain appears to have people with dark skin, though I'm not sure what country Rivain is supposed to be based on/inspired by. Silver Warden (talk) 20:19, October 19, 2017 (UTC)

Race is not a construct. It is a matter of evolution in a certain place and time. different condition+ time = different peoples. Clearly the darker skinned people with african features did not come from the mountainous regions of the Ferelnden- Orlais border. They must have come frome somewhere more sunny and warm. Ithought they have come somewhere from the norhtern islands. They are tropical right? Before the qunari came, maybe... I don't care about no skin tone. I am just interested in their etnologycal and historical evolution.--Vavrinko (talk) 20:48, October 19, 2017 (UTC)

Vavrinko, it's Rivain you are asking about. Think of Thedas as located in the southern hemisphere - the further to the north the hotter. Asherinka (talk) 21:08, October 19, 2017 (UTC)

hmhm... thanks :) --Vavrinko (talk) 22:27, October 19, 2017 (UTC)

When I said "race is social construct" I was not talking about skin color. Obviously people with darker skin tones exist in Thedas. But those people are not categorized as a single group in Thedas. Skin color has no more meaning to them than hair or eye color. Thus, the race of "black people" does not exist there, though people with darker skin do.

In fact, the idea of a black race or a white race isn't even universal in our world. Prior to the African slave trade, there was no concept of a single white race - Europeans identified themselves by their nation or region. This is still more or less true today. The black and white races really only have any cultural meaning in the western hemisphere, particularly in North America. In Europe, Africa, and Asia people are still seen as they were before the African slave trade invented the notion of races. They are grouped by nationality, ethnicity, and proximity.

Thedas is an entirely different world with not only a different history, but also different biology and even different laws of physics. Applying our prejudices to them is both inaccurate and inappropriate. Silver Warden (talk) 16:00, October 20, 2017 (UTC)

In our real world, for thousands of years, it was the language one used that often determined more about 'in' and 'out' groups. That, and religious beliefs. I agree that a lot of phenotypical differences between humans matters a heck of a lot less in Thedas due to there being clear divides between them and races that are genuinely nonhuman. At that point, most humans would only care that you human than what type of human. All of the nonsense people try to drag into these fantasy worlds is kind of dumb. EzzyD (talk) 06:53, November 14, 2017 (UTC)
Well yeah, obviously prejudice wasn't invented with racism. The tenancy to form prejudices is just part of human nature. Or maybe even nature itself - there's evidence of dolphins killing porpoises just because they're porpoises. People will always find some reason to hate someone else. Before racism it was mostly religion (in Europe anyway), and before the rise of the Abrahamic religions it was mostly culture. In Thedas, it's elves and mages (except for Tevinter). And I bet if a bunch of aliens moved Earth, once we were all done going "Oooh look aliens!" we'd all forget our differences and hate on the aliens together. Silver Warden (talk) 23:23, November 14, 2017 (UTC)