Is there a reason AoE (Area of Effect) isn't a field in skill/spell/talent? There's a ton of skills that have AoE's and right now it needs to be listed as extra information rather than as part of the actual infobox. I may try adding this later if people agree with it. Obviously, if it's left blank it won't appear similar to range/duration/upkeep... Tivadar (talk) 16:43, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

This is "size", right? I thought it supposed to be "range" (like how "upkeep" is "reserved"; we currently still use the Origins words, which may confused new players). --D. (talk · contr) 16:49, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I've been using range, although I suppose when we get access to actual range information, that ought to change. DA:O spells use range for the distance at which you must be to activate the ability, which is what it should be in DA2 as well. Since the information box is not displayed on skill rows, we should have a value for "| aoe" or something. T0rin (talk) 16:55, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Range is how far away you can cast the spell. Area of effect is how large of an area it affects, so no, these were used differently even in DAO. See the original Fireball for an example. Tivadar (talk) 16:52, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

My thought was to have AOE, size, and area all be translated into "Size" in the infobox/skillspellrow. But yes, they're definitely different from range and being used improperly in a couple of cases :). Just looked it up, and you're right D-Day, it's referred to as "Size" in game. Also checked the template and there's no field for it in there now. Tivadar (talk) 17:02, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I've gone ahead and added the field. Even got it appearing in the tooltip, infobox and spell row. However, I don't know how to associate a few names with it, so I've set it to "Size" for now. Feel free to use it. Unless someone feels it needs deleting :), but seems to me it *should* be there. Granted, I had to edit a couple templates that said "do not edit", so... sorry for that? Once again, check out Fireball (Dragon Age II) or Elemental spells or Spells (Dragon Age II)Tivadar (talk) 17:17, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

All good with me.

There's no template that says "do not edit"... it actually says, "do not use" (e.g., use the transformer template instead of the infobox template for articles). A bit different! ;] --D. (talk · contr) 17:26, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, ok, yeah, I saw big red lettering and the words "NO". Apparently i don't reed gud. Good to know either way next time I go off on a format editing rampage. Anyways, now we have size! Tivadar (talk) 17:41, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

On the topic of size, there seems to be some unnecessary discrepancies in both the wiki and the game regarding upgrade talents that modify size. Some list it as "Size: +2", whereas some just say "Size: 10m". I personally prefer the former, as you can see the benefit that the upgrade actually gives, as opposed to having to compare to the original to figure it out. I've been streamlining anything I come across in this way, to avoid unnecessary confusion. One of those times that I think differing from taking it straight out of the game is beneficial to a wiki user, since it effectively is the same thing. T0rin (talk) 18:07, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Also, should we do stuff like "5m sphere", "10m circle", "12m semi-circle", etc.? Or just stick with "5m", "10m", "12m", etc.? T0rin (talk) 18:38, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

I'd agree with doing the +2 vs 10m. I also want to see how much the size increases with the skill, so I don't have to compare numbers. As for the "shape" shall we say, In the main skill, I think we should include it, but for upgrades, there's no sense in listing it again. For example, the new mind blast is *not* a sphere centered on the caster, and I didn't know that when I used it initially and wasted it trying to hit a guy that was behind me. (Note: I'm pretty sure it's not a sphere at least. Anyone else noticed this? It might be a cone?) Tivadar (talk) 18:46, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Things like fireball are obviously spheres, since it is an explosion from a central location, however, what about stuff like Firestorm? Is it a cylinder? Should we just list it as a circle, and assume it will hit any enemy within the circle regardless of height? Do we know that fireball doesn't? I'm not sure there is much, if any terrain that would allow an enemy to be standing on top of something that is directly over another piece of terrain that you could target fireball (or any sphere based explosion) onto. I know that Cone of Cold is more of a 150ish degree semi-circle, which according to the wiki is 12m (that seems a bit high?), which is kind of why I don't even want to get into the business of trying to state things like this definitively, unless someone is actually going to test ever single AoE affect to see if its really a sphere vs a cylinder, etc. T0rin (talk) 19:50, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, I hadn't considered 2D vs. 3D, and was more referring to the general shape. Basically, I think it's safe to assume that *all* AOE's will follow the same physics when they have a certain shape. I doubt they'd implement both a circle, cylinder, and a sphere. That being said, list it as whichever you want, but let's definitely distinguish the ones that are *not* spheres/whatever at the very least. I still want to know what mind blast is :-P. Tivadar (talk) 19:56, March 16, 2011 (UTC)