Ok, so I kind of screwed up leveling Alistair in my game. I wanted to keep him in my party, but as a two handed warrior. I have a bunch of sword and sheild skills that he can't use when carrying a two handed sword and vise versa. Now that I have progressed further through the game I have the Keening Blade and I wish I would have just maxed him out in sword and sheild. It is pretty cool that I have the skills for him to have a back up weapon like The Ageless while using the Keening Blade and Howe's Sheild. Still, I can't help but think it would be more advantageous to take Lohgain and have him use the Keening Blade and a sheild. The thing I don't know is how Lohgain will be leved in comparison to Alistair. This is because he will probably already be a high level when joining my party. What will his strength be like? Is he already maxed out in sword and sheild? What specilization does he have? Any input on this will be greatly appreciated.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs)
Loghain is a great party addtion. He is a maxed out Champion, with sword and shield skills that are near max. I gave him the Keening Blade, and his armor and shield were already really good, though if you thought ahead you could get the Juggernaut armor away from Alistair, level up a bit, and give it to Loghain. I got sick of Alistair once he carried on like a whiny-baby and Loghain has a lot of great dialogue and is pretty easy to make a friend of. And once I thought through the plot, I realized where he was sort of coming from, and why he made the mistakes he did. Once he goes through the Joining, his mistakes become pretty much completely clear to him. Doing the Loghain endings (he dies and the PC survives, the PC dies and Loghain looks unhappy at the funeral, both survive and Loghain devotes his life to the Wardens), is great because it really shows up the wonderful moral choices the writers make available. Since my PC was a person who always tried to reconcile (in the Circle and in the Forest), it would be really hypocritical to kill Loghain just to make Alistair happy.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs)
This isn't even a choice for me, but it depends a bit on your playthrough. If you haven't used Ali much (why??) Loghain might be good, but he's been autolevelled while you will have chosen Alistair's stats suited to your choice of PC and NPC companions.
So far I have always used Alistair and he has complemented my party nicely. Since I have chosen all his skills & talents, when the time comes to choose Loghain, he is already an essential member while Loghain is pretty crappy in comparison. Also ALi's completely hysterical personality makes up for the fact that yes, he is a well-developed character and has emotions (aka "whiny"). I personally love Alistair, and would never choose Loghain for the sake of the story. Although I like Loghain as a stand alone character, it never makes sense to me to kick out a dependable party member for the one that left you to die in Ostagar, no matter if I was playing an evil character or not. Except, of course, for the achievement. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vavasor (talk • contribs)
Loghain's level at the landsmeet is matched to the player's level, so he should always theoretically be comparable to other party members. ----Isolationistmagi 01:56, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
I honestly do not see why anyone on their right mind would choose Loghain over Alistair. What he does is completely unforgivable and I don't see why everyone seems to find Alistair to be a "crybaby".--R0B45 (talk) 08:21, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
Alistair, simply out of practicality. I wasn't always a fan of him, until I hardened him once. Afterwards I bore a bit more respect for the guy. As for Loghain, he sold my Warden's kin into slavery; his father was spared just in time. So he pretty much killed Loghain for being a dick to knife-ears. :D EzzyD (talk) 15:18, June 23, 2012 (UTC)
Loghain every time. I am a hardcore city elf like Ezzy D and would do anything to benefit the elves but my character lives by the "ruthless calculus of war", and killing loghain to avenge those already dead is simply illogical. It is punishment enough for Loghain to have to go on knowing that it was a lowly city elf who rose up defeat him in both combat and politics. User:Warrior Tabris
I am no fan of Alistair and find Loghain's personality more interesting (if not more likeable) Loghain is a much more complex character and one of my favourite video game villains. I always chose Loghain over Alistair until DA2 came out. Seeing as Loghain does not make an appearance in DA2 and you can only get Alistair's least interesting cameo if you kept Loghain alive, I find myself regrettably siding with Alistair now... Roger Freeze (talk) 03:18, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
For me I always pick Loghain because whenever i choose Alistair, i never win the final battle. Besides Loghain is a general.
There's never any question in my mind: I always choose Alistair. He's your loyal, brave, reliable and honorable fellow Warden. Why would I give him up for a traitorous, ruthless man past his prime who betrayed the king and my brethren? No contest here. If Loghain actually had a skill set (like "Ferelden General" or something) that gave him some special abilities that separated him from Alistair, I might give it a moment's consideration. But he doesn't. He's a cranky, self-righteous Champion. I can make Alistair a Champion and get the same results without Loghain's attitude. There is no reason beyond RPing and an achievement to take Loghain over Alistair in my mind. He isn't worth it and a swift execution is what he deserves, nothing more. LadyAeducan (talk) 01:19, June 26, 2012 (UTC)
Only once did I have Alistair stay with me for the end game, only because he killed Loghain. That's the last time I let a harden Alistair fight one-on-one with Loghain again. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 01:39, June 26, 2012 (UTC)Darkside