--R0B45 (talk) 10:27, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
After Loghain's betrayal and the massacre at Ostagar, if you were one of the surviving Grey Wardens in a country that hated you based on the rumours and lies and slander being spread about you, how would you go about ending the Blight? On this thread I'm allowing for a more open-ended answer above and beyond becoming the Hero Of Ferelden, so feel free to be creative! or if becoming the Hero Of Ferelden is how you would end the Blight, thats perfectly fine too.
Especially after the betrayal at Ostagar though, I would've abandoned Ferelden to its fate, and gone west to join the Wardens of Orlais. I just feel like Ferelden wouldn't deserve my help, not after accusing me of kingslaying and slandering the name Grey Warden. Cailan and by extension the rest of Ferelden, expected too much from the Wardens, and like I like most of the Grey Wardens at Ostagar, was a new recruit fresh out of the Joining. Is it really a surprise that the Wardens 'failed spectacularly' as Loghain put it? Fereldens had no right to be disappointed because their expectation was outrageous to begin with. Just wasn't fair, in fact it was dishonorable and humiliating. I was so mad at Fereldan arrogance and how bloated with pride they were that they followed Loghain, a conceited relic of another time who looked to past victories for answers to the current problem. Ferelden wasn't even worth saving in my opinion, not for the amount of crap that the Warden had put up with. It wouldn't even have been neglecting duty, cause the Blight would've raged on and other chances to slay the Archdemon may have arisen for the Warden in places more supportive of the Grey Wardens. --JordanHawker (talk) 20:44, October 15, 2012 (UTC) JordanHawker
I also would have probably legged it for the border, or tried to sneak past the darkspawn and explore south of the Korcari Wilds, because I can't resist unexplored places. What chance do a pair of rookies have against the entire country, and a horde of evil monsters led by a dragon? I'd go to Lothering still, maybe convince Leliana to come with me (I'd try to convince Sten too, but he'd refuse). Other than that, it'd be me and Alistair on the run from everyone (and maybe Morrigan too). Not exactly ideal, but it'd be a laugh. Either that or we'd go to Denerim or Gwaren (any city with a port) in disguises and get on a ship and sail away, maybe to Weisshaupt to tell the Wardens that Ferelden is lost to the darkspawn. Eggy2504 (talk) 21:05, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
It would've been interesting too to meet Carver and Aveline at Ostagar, and Bethany and Leandra in Lothering. --JordanHawker (talk) 21:12, October 15, 2012 (UTC) JordanHawker
So, you created a thread entirely to spite me, and then vandalize the page I created by removing not only your posts, but mine as well? Yeah, real mature. Hitokiri Akins (talk) 23:21, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
Hitokiri, After reading the paragraph below your question in which you clarified the nature of the thread, I removed my comments. I admit it was entitled of me to delete yours as well, but I felt they no longer held any relevence because my comments were gone. In that regard I wronged you, and so do apologize. I created a new thread to establish a new question, wherein my comment could fit better. --JordanHawker (talk) 00:43, October 16, 2012 (UTC) JordanHawker
- Well, I notified one of the administrators about what you did, and reverted the changes.
- However, to not hijack your thread, I will add where I'd go after Ostagar; I would continue on to Lothering with Alistair and Morrigan, picking up the Mabari I saved at Ostagar, pick up Leliana and Sten, and continue on to follow the game's plot and become the Hero of Ferelden and stop the Blight. After all, it can be done, as the Darkspawn Chronicles shows. Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana and dog manage to make it to the Archdemon, and were only killed because of the actions of the player controlled Hurlock Vanguard. And the game shows that it can be done by the player character too; we can stop the Blight without the aid of the other nations or Grey Wardens. Hitokiri Akins (talk) 02:59, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
I would've left Fereldan. I got conscripted against my will and didn't want the burden of being a Grey Warden.--R0B45 (talk) 10:27, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
I'd go to the nearest Warden outpost, which is Orlais. Henio0 (talk) 12:39, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
Going to Orlais sounds appealing at first - certainly if I were genuinely in the position of the Warden, I would definately be tempted to do so. It does, however, bring with it multiple problems. The first is the human suffering in Ferelden, which I would find heard to justify to myself. Second and perhaps more important is the fact that without you there to organise the opposition to Loghain, he would consolidate the country behind his leadership and - blight or no blight - he would fight any Wardens coming from Orlais (or anywhere outside Ferelden) as an invading army. Because the Warden stays in Ferelden, the Fereldan civil war ends with relatively little bloodshed. Had the Warden left, the result would have been an all out Warden-Fereldan War, possibly even an Orlesian-Fereldan War if and when the Orlesians aid the Wardens. As a final note, while looking at the game from the outside we might feel resentment towards the country of Ferelden, remember that several of the Origins are Fereldan. Would you feel as ready to abandon your real-life country in a similar situation? -- Gissur the Sailor (talk) 17:54, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
Not everyone believed Loghain's claims of the Wardens killing Cailan though, and thats why there was civil war. He tried to justify his desertion of the king, but many saw it as cowardice plain and simple. Loghain wouldn't have been able to consolidate the country under his leadership because he didn't have the support of the nobles to begin with, and consequently didn't have the finances to fight both a civil war and the darkspawn, which is why he turned to slavery. It wouldn't have mattered in the end though whether he had the money or not, the combined ravages of the Blight and civil war would've destroyed Ferelden, and the country would be without a ruler and too weak to engage in another war immediately following the Blight's end. If my real-life country betrayed me like that, then yes, I would cease to feel any loyalty towards it. --JordanHawker (talk) 18:37, October 16, 2012 (UTC) JordanHawker
- All very valid points, but I think two of the origin stories would disagree; Human Noble and City Elf. The Human Noble wants to chase down Fergus, and would not abandon him to the Blight or allow Howe to benefit from his action. The City Elf has their cousins, Sorris and Shiani, and their father still in Denerim. They wouldn't want to abandon their family to the blight either.
- But, if this thread is the same as my Hero of Ferelden thread, where you are a hero from another world who undertakes the joining and survives Ostagar, then are not valid for this discussion. Please clarify your thought process for this thread. Hitokiri Akins (talk) 16:57, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
It seems very wrong to me to condemn the whole country, all the innocents, because of the deeds of a few individuals. I would probably more or less follow the game's course: try to rally resistance, clean my name and overthrow Loghain to unite the country against the Blight. --Ygrain (talk) 19:09, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
Loghain believed that Ferelden could stand alone. He genuinely believed that they didn't need the Grey Wardens to end the Blight. I would've been happy to let him try..... and fail. --JordanHawker (talk) 01:53, October 17, 2012 (UTC) JordanHawker
I would leave Alistair to gather the army and go after Loghain and kill him. Take his army by force and marched to Denerim and kill Anora and Howe. Take the throne to my self and put nobles in their place by force. When Alistair is gathered the forces I would kill the archdemon and rule the world.--87.95.57.42 (talk) 12:18, October 17, 2012 (UTC)Lord Rahl
- "You and whose army?" as they say. :) The treaties only oblige the mages, dwarves and elves to aid the Grey Wardens against the Blight; those armies wouldn't follow you to deal with Loghain and his men, or let themselves be used as a hammer to control the nobles. To the OP: I would proceed as the game does. I firmly believe that no one speaks for anyone but themselves. To abandon an entire country because of the views of -some- villagers, gossips and soldiers, doesn't fit with that. What about Bann Teagan, and everyone else who didn't believe Loghain and stood against him? Nope, not going to abandon them. My Grey Warden never felt dishonoured or humiliated by the rumours. She's a tough City Elf - go off in a pouty huff because people were saying mean things about her? As if! :) -Sophia (talk) 23:50, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
Depends on which origin i guess because if i was the human noble id just table flip and go after howe (Like after doing alot of information gathering/training etc) If i was the Dalish elf who litterally has no choice(He/she would die anyhow) Id just be a grey warden and go where the wind takes me to defeat the blight.--TheNightTwins (talk) 23:36, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
Is there some sort of thread generator that spits out this self-insert fantasy topic once a week? I see it in some form or another at least as often. --Wsowen02 (talk) 00:09, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
I dont need an army I'm immortal halfdemon, bloodmage, arcane warrior Jak Darckner Cousland. I can kill nations without a breath. Easely. --188.67.166.92 (talk) 07:30, October 18, 2012 (UTC)Lord Rahl master of all world
What I would probably try to do is go the route Morrigan suggests in Lothering and try to find some way of assassinating Loghain. Hence I would venture from Lothering to Denerim, but realistically speaking we couldn't get to a postion where this would have been possible. We would then proceed to Redcliffe as normally, but once I would be contacted by the Crows, I would broker some kind of a deal with them so that Loghain would have an accident, without any ties to the Wardens having done it. Afterwards the game would probably proceed much normally... except that there would be no landsmeet and Alistair's royal birth would never be relevant. I would have to somehow convince Anora to help in the battle against the Blight, which might not be easy. Or we would just not do that and hence Anora would likely die when the darkspawn attack Denerim - which would probably leave Alistair as the king anyway. Or an opportunistic grab for the throne by myself. -- Gissur the Sailor (talk) 18:16, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
I would follow Avernuses princable what ever it took to win and defeat the blight, even if it means turning to forbidden magics. I played a mage used 'evil' options reasonably to bring a iron boot down on the blight. would turn alister into a unhardened puppet king of the wardens, give'em control of the throne to ensure long term endurance against the blight.--Hurrensam (talk) 21:24, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
I will happen Alistiar cure Eemaon. Then I would let him get the army from the treaties. While I talk with Eeman, to find a way to get the Orlais army in Fereldan without Loghain knowing and without making another war with that army.--Dalish Arrow 21:28, October 22, 2012 (UTC)