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Connor Guerrin is the son of Arl Eamon Guerrin and Arlessa Isolde, nephew of Bann Teagan Guerrin and cousin to King Cailan Theirin.

Background

This section contains spoilers for:
Dragon Age: Origins.

Before the arrival of the Warden, Connor began to demonstrate magical abilities. According to the laws of the Chantry, this would result in the child being sent to the Circle Tower for tutoring, as well as forfeiting all rights to lands and titles. Scared of losing her son and ashamed of his magical power, his mother Isolde, the Arlessa of Redcliffe, decided to hire a tutor to teach the boy in secret, the Blood mage Jowan. Her intention was that Jowan would help her son not only control his powers, but also conceal them from others, allowing him to escape the grasp of the Circle and the templars.

However, Jowan was sent to Redcliffe by Teyrn Loghain to poison Arl Eamon, a task in which he succeeded. In an attempt to save his father's life, Connor naively allowed himself to be possessed by a Desire Demon. He is the one responsible for the hordes of undead attacking Redcliffe Village at night.

Connor is first encountered in Castle Redcliffe. He will occasionally have brief moments of lucidity, coming around only to find that he's lost time and has absolutely no clue what is going on.

Involvement

This section contains spoilers for:
Dragon Age: Origins.

The Warden in order to gain access to Arl Eamon, should deal with the possessed child. This can happen in a number of ways.

The Warden may attempt to save Connor by confronting the demon in the Fade. This can be done through the use of a blood magic ritual by sacrificing and using the life force of Arlessa Isolde provided that Jowan is still around or by using lyrium obtained by the Circle of Magi. The latter option, however, requires that the events of the Broken Circle be completed and the mages of the Circle are still alive. In both options, a mage should enter the Fade in order to destroy the demon. That could be a magi Warden, Morrigan, Wynne, or if the Circle option was used, First Enchanter Irving. If a magi Warden enters the Fade in order to rescue Connor, he/she can have a deal with the demon in order for it to return on a later date and possess Connor again, instead of destroying the demon.

The other option is to deal directly with the possessed Connor by initiating a confrontation with him in the upper floor of the castle where he retreated. By following this path, the desire demon is being destroyed, however Connor is also killed.

Based on these options, there are various results in the epilogue:

If The Warden allows the Desire demon to possess Connor at a later date as part of their deal to spare his life, Connor will vanish when the Arl prepares him to be sent to The Circle. Eamon will search but eventually give up. Connor is never seen again.
If the Warden allows the Desire Demon to possess Connor at a later date as part of their deal to spare his life, and does not let his mother, Lady Isolde, sacrifice herself, it could also result in Connor completing his Harrowing and becoming a full circle mage, undertaking a formal study of the Fade.
If Connor is saved and the Desire Demon killed or scared away, he may be sent to the Circle of Magi. After completing his Harrowing and becoming a full circle mage, he will undertake a formal study of The Fade in Tevinter. This will happen if you let his mother, Lady Isolde, sacrifice herself to perform Jowan's blood ritual not using the Circle of Magi's help.
If Connor is saved and the Desire Demon killed or scared away, Arl Eamon may merely comment that Connor has been acting strangely. This will happen if his mother, Lady Isolde, also survives the events in Redcliffe.
If Connor is killed, Eamon and Isolde will conceive another child, this time a daughter, named Rowan. Isolde dies during childbirth. Like Connor, she is revealed to be a mage, and is eventually sent to the Circle for formal training.

Furthermore, if Connor survives and the Warden died killing the Archdemon, Connor will be present at the Warden's funeral standing next to Arl Eamon.

Bugs

It is possible to save Connor and still have the Codex recorded as the Warden killing Connor. This bug occurs on the pcversion after the events at Redcliffe Castle. In all platforms, the Codex will occasionally report that Isolde sacrificed herself to save Connor even when you opted to have the Circle of the Magi send a mage into the Fade rather than have Jowan use Blood Magic.
xbox360If Isolde kills Connor, Arl Eamon's dialogue during the coronation ceremony will be the same as if Connor were still alive - "Connor seems well enough, but Isolde refuses to speak of what happened..."
If First Enchanter Irving enters the fade and speaks with Arl Eamon there, there is one line of dialogue where Irving appears to be confused and questions trusting Arl Eamon -- it should probably be that Arl Eamon responds with that line to Irving.

Trivia

When importing to Dragon Age II, one of the important choices that the player makes in Dragon Age: Origins is the fate of Connor.

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-'''Connor Guerrin''' is the son of [[Arl Eamon Guerrin]] and [[Arlessa Isolde]], nephew of [[Bann Teagan Guerrin]] and cousin to [[King Cailan Theirin]].
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+'''Connor Guerrin''' is the son of [[Eamon Guerrin|Arl Eamon Guerrin]] and [[Isolde|Arlessa Isolde]], nephew of [[Teagan Guerrin|Bann Teagan Guerrin]] and cousin to [[Cailan Theirin|King Cailan Theirin]].
-==Background==
+== Background ==
-Before the arrival of [[the Warden]], Connor began to demonstrate magical abilities. According to the laws of the [[Chantry]], this would result in the child being sent to the [[Circle Tower]] for tutoring, as well as forfeiting all rights to lands and titles. Scared of losing her son and ashamed of his magical power, his mother [[Isolde]], the Arlessa of [[Redcliffe]] decided instead to hire a tutor to teach the boy in secret, the [[Blood Mage]] [[Jowan]]. Her intention was that Jowan would help her son not only control his powers, but also conceal them from others, allowing him to escape the grasp of the Circle and the templars. Unfortunately for her, Jowan was sent to [[Redcliffe]] by [[Teyrn Loghain]] to poison Arl Eamon, a task in which the mage succeeded. In an attempt to save his father's life, Connor naively allowed himself to be possessed by a [[Desire Demon]]. He is the one responsible for the hordes of undead attacking [[Redcliffe Village]] at night.
+{{SpoilerDAO|style=short|
+Before the arrival of [[the Warden]], Connor began to demonstrate magical abilities. According to the laws of the [[Chantry]], this would result in the child being sent to the [[Circle Tower]] for tutoring, as well as forfeiting all rights to lands and titles. Scared of losing her son and ashamed of his magical power, his mother [[Isolde]], the Arlessa of [[Redcliffe]], decided to hire a tutor to teach the boy in secret, the [[Blood magic|Blood mage]] [[Jowan]]. Her intention was that Jowan would help her son not only control his powers, but also conceal them from others, allowing him to escape the grasp of the Circle and the templars.
+However, Jowan was sent to [[Redcliffe]] by [[Loghain Mac Tir|Teyrn Loghain]] to poison Arl Eamon, a task in which he succeeded. In an attempt to save his father's life, Connor naively allowed himself to be possessed by a [[Desire Demon]]. He is the one responsible for the hordes of undead attacking [[Redcliffe Village]] at night.
-Connor is first encountered in [[Castle Redcliffe]].  He will occasionally have brief moments of lucidity, coming around only to find that he's lost time and has absolutely no clue what is going on.
+Connor is first encountered in [[Castle Redcliffe]]. He will occasionally have brief moments of lucidity, coming around only to find that he's lost time and has absolutely no clue what is going on.}}
-==Involvement==
-{{See| the [[Arl of Redcliffe]] for more information}}
-[[The Warden]] must end the threat that the demon represents. There are several ways to do this.
-===Save Connor===
+== Involvement ==
+{{SpoilerDAO|style=short|
-In order to save Connor, the demon must be exorcised from Connor.  This can be accomplished by sending a mage into the [[Fade]] to vanquish the demon.  There are two ways to enter the Fade:
+[[The Warden]] in order to gain access to Arl Eamon, should deal with the possessed child. This can happen in a number of ways.
+The Warden may attempt to save Connor by confronting the [[demon]] in the [[Fade]]. This can be done through the use of a blood magic ritual by sacrificing and using the life force of Arlessa Isolde provided that Jowan is still around or by using [[lyrium]] obtained by the [[Circle of Magi]]. The latter option, however, requires that the events of the [[Broken Circle]] be completed and the [[mage]]s of the Circle are still alive. In both options, a mage should enter the Fade in order to destroy the demon. That could be a [[Magi Origin|magi]] Warden, [[Morrigan]], [[Wynne]], or if the Circle option was used, [[Irving|First Enchanter Irving]]. If a magi Warden enters the Fade in order to rescue Connor, he/she can have a deal with the demon in order for it to return on a later date and possess Connor again, instead of destroying the demon.
-====Blood Magic====
-The quickest way to enter the Fade is to allow [[Jowan]] to perform the [[Blood Magic]] ritual, using [[Arlessa Isolde]] as a sacrifice to open the portal to the dream realm.
+The other option is to deal directly with the possessed Connor by initiating a confrontation with him in the upper floor of the castle where he retreated. By following this path, the desire demon is being destroyed, however Connor is also killed.
-====Circle of Magi====
-The Warden can also go to the [[Circle of Magi]] to get more [[mages]] to assist in performing the ritual, allowing the use of blood magic to be avoided. Nothing will advance in Redcliffe while you're gone, so selecting this option will not kill the Arl or Connor. This option will get you the most approval from your morally minded companions.  [[Alistair]], despite initially admitting that killing Connor might be the only option, will admit he's glad that course of action was taken and gain a large number of approval points for the Warden.
+Based on these options, there are various results in the [[Epilogue (Origins)|epilogue]]:
-Note that if the Warden has not yet completed the [[Broken Circle]] quest, he/she will have to do so upon arrival at the Circle.  In addition, you must side with the mages rather than the [[Templars]] during this quest if you wish for the Circle to give you aid.
+* If The Warden allows the Desire demon to possess Connor at a later date as part of their deal to spare his life, Connor will vanish when the Arl prepares him to be sent to The Circle. Eamon will search but eventually give up. Connor is never seen again.
+* If the Warden allows the Desire Demon to possess Connor at a later date as part of their deal to spare his life, and does not let his mother, Lady Isolde, sacrifice herself, it could also result in Connor completing his Harrowing and becoming a full circle mage, undertaking a formal study of the Fade.
+* If Connor is saved and the Desire Demon killed or scared away, he may be sent to the Circle of Magi. After completing his Harrowing and becoming a full circle mage, he will undertake a formal study of The Fade in [[Tevinter Imperium|Tevinter]]. This will happen if you let his mother, Lady Isolde, sacrifice herself to perform Jowan's blood ritual not using the Circle of Magi's help.
+* If Connor is saved and the Desire Demon killed or scared away, Arl Eamon may merely comment that Connor has been acting strangely. This will happen if his mother, Lady Isolde, also survives the events in Redcliffe.
+* If Connor is killed, Eamon and Isolde will conceive another child, this time a daughter, named Rowan. Isolde dies during childbirth. Like Connor, she is revealed to be a mage, and is eventually sent to the Circle for formal training.
+Furthermore, if Connor survives and the Warden died killing the Archdemon, Connor will be present at the Warden's funeral standing next to Arl Eamon.}}
-====In the Fade====
-Only a mage can enter the Fade. If The Warden has chosen to seek the Circle's help, [[First Enchanter Irving]] or Jowan can also be sent. After the [[Desire Demon]]'s realm's defenders have been defeated, you have the option to fight her, or to accept her gifts and leave the Fade without a fight.  Neither Morrigan, First Enchanter Irving, nor Wynne will make a deal with the Demon.  If a deal is struck with the demon, she will give the Warden what he/she desires and then agree to leave the boy alone for "a time," coming back when he is older and thus more 'powerful and wise.'
+== Bugs ==
-You can also negotiate with the Demon and get her out of his mind for good, and still give you an item of your choice (or teach you how to be a blood mage). If the mage inside the fade is the Warden, you can intimidate her after agreeing to talk and not accept her proposition to leave Connor for a while and come back later. After it, if your intimidation is high enough, she will offer to leave for good, but doesn't give you anything. Intimidate her again (you'll need Master Coercion) and she will offer you a gift to avoid the fight.
+* It is possible to save Connor and still have the Codex recorded as the Warden killing Connor. This bug occurs on the {{Platforms|PC}}version after the events at Redcliffe Castle. In all platforms, the Codex will occasionally report that Isolde sacrificed herself to save Connor even when you opted to have the Circle of the Magi send a mage into the Fade rather than have Jowan use Blood Magic.
+* {{Platforms|Xbox360}}If Isolde kills Connor, Arl Eamon's dialogue during the coronation ceremony will be the same as if Connor were still alive - "Connor seems well enough, but Isolde refuses to speak of what happened..."
+* If First Enchanter Irving enters the fade and speaks with Arl Eamon there, there is one line of dialogue where Irving appears to be confused and questions trusting Arl Eamon -- it should probably be that Arl Eamon responds with that line to Irving.
-===Kill Connor===
+== Trivia ==
+* When importing to ''[[Dragon Age II]]'', one of the important choices that the player makes in ''[[Dragon Age: Origins]]'' is the fate of Connor.
-The final option is to kill Connor. This can be done by either The Warden or Isolde. [[Leliana]] and [[Alistair]] take exception to The Warden following this path, as Connor is only an innocent. If The Warden chooses to kill Connor, he will admit that he went to look at Jowan's book, which had somehow caused all the humans in the castle to begin killing each other and turning them into walking corpses, except certain people like Arl Eamon, due to the deal Connor made with the demon.
+== See also ==
-Simply attempting to go into Arl Eamon's room will trigger the series of events leading up to Connor's demise, even if the party deliberately avoids talking to Connor, so avoid exploring the castle too extensively if you wish to save Connor.  If Connor is provoked, he will transform into the Desire Demon, who force a battle to the death.  After the demon is defeated, Connor will revert back to human form but will die at the hands of either the Warden or Isolde.
+{{:Codex entry: Connor Guerrin|style=iconmini}}{{clrl}}
+{{DEFAULTSORT:Guerrin, Connor}}
-Alistair will become extremely angry if The Warden chooses to cause Connor's death. Unless a persuade check is passed, up to 21 [[approval]] points can be lost. Deliberately angering Alistair further can result in losing up to 41 approval points.
-==Bugs==
-* It is possible to save Connor and still have the Codex recorded as the Warden killing Connor. This bug occurs on the PC version after the events at Redcliffe Castle. In the PS3 and PC versions, the Codex will occasionally report that Isolde sacrificed herself to save Connor even when you opted to have the Circle of the Magi send a mage into the Fade rather than have Jowan use Blood Magic (confirmed on XBOX360,PC).
-* If Isolde kills Connor, Arl Eamon's dialogue during the coronation ceremony will be the same as if Connor were still alive - "Connor seems well enough, but Isolde refuses to speak of what happened..." (X360)
-* If First Enchanter Irving enters the fade and speaks with Arl Eamon there, there is one line of dialogue where Irving appears to be confused and questions trusting Arl Eamon -- it should probably be that Arl Eamon responds with that line to Irving.
-==Trivia==
-*The scene where The Warden first meets Connor has overtones of the original Twilight Zone episode "It's a Good Life".
-*At the end of the game in the Post-Coronation area, if The Warden talks to Arl Eamon, the arl asks if The Warden has noticed anything wrong with Connor.
-*The name Connor is similar to 'conor' the latin word meaning 'to try' this could be indicative of Connor's efforts to save his father.
-*When importing to ''[[Dragon Age II]]'', one of the important choices that the player makes in DA:O is the fate of Connor.
-*He was apparently supposed to make an appearance in ''Dragon Age II''.
-*If Connor survives and the warden died killing the Archdemon, Connor will be present at the Warden`s funeral standing next to Arl Eamon.
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