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(to rphb)As a human noble, you are betrayed by Loghain. He mmight not have been at the Cousland castle when the killing took place, but, he allowed it. He either told Howe to eliminate the Cousland to knock off one of his most powerful potential enemies, or told Howe he could have Highever because he was greedy and they were working together. Also when you meet up with Loghain at the start of the Landsmeet, he completely insults the Cousland's name as traitors. Bottom line, Loghain is just as bad as Howe id you are a human noble.
What is the outcome if I, as a male Human Noble, offer Anora marriage and promise to spare Loghain, yet personally carry out the execution at the Landsmeet? I take it she refuses to marry me, which does not really matter as I do not intend to be the King, but is it still possible to push Alistair's claim? And, does it lead to any special conversation twist, such as being able to tell her something like "I did this just to see your father's face when his darling daughter turned against him, as a revenge for what he did to my family"? Ygrain (talk) 09:24, August 3, 2010 (UTC) Ygrain
I don’t think so, but why would you even play MALE human noble, the entire purpose of suffering through that awful origin is so you can marry Alastair and be queen, you can’t became king through marriage, you become prince-consort. There is only two ways to become king, through blood, a very close relative was king and you inherit, or through deed like Calenhad. And by the way, it was Howe that betrayed the Cousland not Loghain -rphb- (talk) 15:11, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
- King, Prince-consort, shogun, whatever - elevated status gained by marriage; I'm not interested, I play for the sake of the story, not a personal gain. As to the Howe thing: well... that rat dares to exterminate a high-ranking family, just on the eve of the decisive battle where the king, who would otherwise have the matter investigated, as well as all potential witnesses who might remember that one Howe was paying a visit shortly before the incident, get killed. Howe then gets a nice position of influence in Denerim and I learn that he is an old pal of Loghain's and does the dirty work for him. Wow, what a coincidence. One does not have to be paranoid to hold Loghain responsible - he either ordered the deed directly, or simply enabled it by his actions. Given his attempt to have Eamon poisoned, I'd bet on the former. So, that's why I'm out for revenge on Loghain. Ygrain (talk) 09:49, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
- To answer your question, Anora will not marry you if you kill Loghain. The outcome is that simple. As for conversation twists, I'm not sure, I've never tried to be King. Also, to rphb, the situation is the same for the female noble as much for the male noble. If you marry Alistair, you are considered his princess-consort. If Alistair or Anora(depending on how you played the game) dies, you end up in the same situation that Anora was in. If you decide to follow the bloodline, Morrigan's demon child has more right to the throne than you do unfortunately. So if that child comes up and claims they're heir to the throne, then you have a lot of explaining to do. That's just my opinion.--Fantasyeve87 02:34, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
- I have noticed that too about the epilogue. I am not sure what Anora says about the male human noble when she welcomes you as the Hero of Ferelden. I know Alistair says something like "may I present the hero of Ferelden, who will soon be your Queen" or something like that. I just believe that if Alistair or Anora dies in some accident or something, your warden/king/queen, will kind of play a similar role as Anora did. Unless of course, no one comes to challenge your throne. Then, yes, I guess you are considered the Queen/King.--Fantasyeve87 02:49, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
To answer the original question, the answer is yes, you can declare Alistair King instead when Anora rejects your marriage offer after you kill Loghain. As far as the whole king/queen vs prince/princess thing. The game contradicts itself. In some places it will refer to you as one, and in others it will refer to you as the other. -Vim- (talk) 04:14, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
Personally I have it all too easy, I killed Loghain, send Anora to be locked at the tower, the Mac Tir line out of the way as they didn't act upon the one risponsable for almost wiping out the Cousland's line, if they doesn't help or punish as Cailan said he would then they are part of the same problem no room for sorries and lets start again words, and I use Alastair at the only moment that it matters in my game, put him on the throne. I did worked the lines for getting Anora and Alastair to marry but just to manipulate her as she wanted to manipulate me for her personal agenda and once loghain is dead her usefulness wore out. I writing this in the way to sound more manipulative and cold to give the feeling as how palpatine would act so for those who played it like I did enjoy it hehehe, and for those who doesn't like it well...its just another way to go for the landsmeet and the game.--Anthonior (talk)
I put Loghain through the joinning. I see it as more of a curse something that was forced upon me. Now I will force it upon Loghain. The lossing his life to strike the finle blow was iycing. Then as a boon I take there land. As far as Anora goes shes good for Ferlden Alister is a good king and a bad politicion. Or you can leave Alister unhardend serve the crown as a boon and then you and Alister out number Anora in votes. Since he lets you mpre or less lead you become the true power. Anora gets to be the one thing she never wanted to be a figure head.--IceStar100 (talk) 05:36, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
If you promise Anora you will support her in the landsmeet, can you later change her mind and stab her in the back by supporting Alistair? (like she did with the "kidnapping-thing"? :p) --Yulivee (talk) 20:29, September 12, 2010 (UTC)